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« on: February 04, 2008, 06:17:34 PM »

I say what others think,
is my monk a gimp? smiley6600
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 01:06:17 AM »

we have done some damage meter testing in my guild.
And guess What. each time a monk was top of the lot. even sorc was left behind.
So maby its the player behind the keybord that is gimp?
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 06:49:15 AM »

Race is really important in vanguard, and Strength is the primary stat for us. If you choose goblin monk for example you are severely gimping yourself.
Monk always has been somewhat gimpish in the past (and still is for ranged damage) but now we kick ass.
In raids you'll beat sorc no problem for dps, and even the best rogue if you are concentrating although that is closer.
For a solid monk at lvl 50 go Orc/Harmonious Str>Int> con/dex
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2008, 02:17:11 PM »

Race isn't that important, you can max out two stats.

I would max out STR/DEX personally, and then split the rest between int and con but I am not a harmonious monk, and even if I was I would probably use defensive stance and not crit stance.   With crafted gear and max dex you should be near crit cap anyways, and the endurance hit you take on your crit stance is nasty and gonna hurt you somewhere either exploiting weaknesses, slapping your tank, or pushing stances.

200 INT is a good goal, so depending on your race you might not have to put much in there. 

I would go dex though, since at end game I would recommend Cav gear over pariah for monks, since the str hit you take on pariah is pretty heavy. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2008, 02:42:24 PM »

Im torn to be honest.

With Str>dex> vit gear i hit 660 str unbuffed str and 900 raid buffed. 
with Dex>Str>con gear i hit 580 str and 900 raid buffed

So while you do lose about 100 dmg a hit from the str gear, i personally prefer dex>str>con because then i can take all my points out of con and put them into into.  As an orc i have higher con and LOW int so it worked best for me. 

Im kinda iffy on dex, the only gain is 20% crit at 900 dex, but even with average dex and only using dex gear (no points into dex) i still have 350 dex unbuffed and 500-600 buffed.  Which nets me a cool 15-17% crit bonus, cant see the extra 300 dex being worth the small return.   

Id say focus str, and atleast put 2 points into dex/int each level ultimately in high end grounds ill sit at 300-400 int and my int adds just as much dmg to each hit as my str.   +1000 dmg a hit, and 1200 secret of fire dmg a hit and roughly 900 from secret of ice. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2008, 03:30:41 PM »

500-600 dex is more like 14-15% crit.

With my dex maxed I can reach 18.9 crit chance from dex using my cav gear.

I am a Morbedi though, so I guess it does depend on your race a little.

Are you at 300-400 int unbuffed?


with Dex>Str>con gear i hit 580 str and 900 raid buffed


Also there is no such thing as Dex > Str > Con gear unless you are talking about world drops, pariah is dex>con>str str being the lowest. which is why I dropped my pariah gear.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2008, 03:44:58 PM »

I was refering to pariah yes,  I didnt mean the < to be greater then or less then symbols just indicating that those were the stats on the armor.

I sit at 300 int as an orc unbuffed.

900 dex = 20% crit, or i could just get an apw item with +3% crit and be just the same off.

It really wont matter once you start raiding your stats are determined for you and as such Its str > dex > con/int for our class set.  Weapons...expect to get some vitality and energy until i nail down avarem today and try to squeez him to make at least one of the 3 monk weapons decent for a monk.  Closest is the legions choking grasp and its by far one of the worst weapons in APW. 

Once you see the bows from apw and the rogue dagger from kotasoth youll see how shafted monks got. Ill post some pics tonight.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2008, 04:22:39 PM »

And I believe there is a 30% crit chance cap from gear, so dex is a good path for people looking to go beyond that.  What APW drop are you talking about with +3% crit?  Most of it is not crit chance, but crit rating making dex more useful the more apw gear you get as you are likely replacing some of your crafted +crit chance gear.  I say cav is better because the loss in dex is no where close to the loss you get in STR from pariah.

I also don't think legion's choking grasp and senator's claws are that bad at all, I plan on replacing my striking wraps with them once I get the drop since it will likely be a while before I get the crafted APW wrap.

I have seen the items for other classes, but you gotta realize that our weapon damage on hand to hand items does not and should not equal damage on their weapons.  It's apples and oranges.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2008, 05:01:54 PM »

Gonna edit this later just gonna do what i can before i get off work.  Im not saying the monk weapons are horrible, but theres not a single one thats purely for monks, we lose "points" to healer stats we will never use.

Legions Choking Grasp
79.53 dps (163-180)
15str
11 vit
68 dmg
27 crit

Senate Enforcer
81.9 dps (164-181) ....(note the big dps gain and the low dmg gain....)
11 con
20 dex
91 crit
5% chance to life tap proc




so heres the rogue dagger.  Hows that compare to our FABLED crafted h2h weapon.  lets see its more dmg, better stats, and its PURELY for a dps class.   There is no weapon in apw that compares to this for monks.  Ours is close but its fabled and is worse, thus it needs to be uped imho



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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 05:17:56 PM »

And I believe there is a 30% crit chance cap from gear, so dex is a good path for people looking to go beyond that.  What APW drop are you talking about with +3% crit?  Most of it is not crit chance, but crit rating making dex more useful the more apw gear you get as you are likely replacing some of your crafted +crit chance gear.  I say cav is better because the loss in dex is no where close to the loss you get in STR from pariah.

I also don't think legion's choking grasp and senator's claws are that bad at all, I plan on replacing my striking wraps with them once I get the drop since it will likely be a while before I get the crafted APW wrap.

I have seen the items for other classes, but you gotta realize that our weapon damage on hand to hand items does not and should not equal damage on their weapons.  It's apples and oranges.

Let's assume monks could use daggers for now...

http://vanguard.xanadu-community.com/images/items/222.png

http://vanguard.xanadu-community.com/images/items/268.png

Which would you rather use Murugan? Tongue
It's not as if we somehow "use" claws/handwraps/knuckles in a superior way, and thus the dmg balances out....dmg is everything, isn't it?
(Keep in mind the dagger is from an entrance wing mob, and claws from one much deeper in too)

If it's apples and oranges....
The dagger is a pristine, ripe, sweet apple....
and the claw is a mouldy, rotting orange that a stray dog ate, vomitted back up, then shat on.

Ok not that extreme but still obviously worse Sad Cry
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 06:38:24 PM »


If it's apples and oranges....
The dagger is a pristine, ripe, sweet apple....
and the claw is a mouldy, rotting orange that a stray dog ate, vomitted back up, then shat on.

Ok not that extreme but still obviously worse Sad Cry

ROFL. If it weren't that sad it would be funny.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 08:41:56 PM »

I am going to stop here, because I know better than to defend my own class, bring on the new loot and changes.

I'm not worried about my job.
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