I have spoken with Talikser and we will be doing some inter style dps testing over the course of the next week. He is trying to get through our bug list but, obviously it has not happened yet.

Additionaly, we will be looking at the following of the dragon style:

• DPS, DPS, and DPS across teh board
• Mitigation Penalty
• Sun Dragon's Corona
• More Dragon Breath Changes

Before anyone asked, yes emphasised the fix to SoF / SoI animations fix.

~QTM

+50 sdf = 1.4% sdmg increase.  (took me from 100 spdmg to 102.
Although i noticed NO increase to secrets dmg with spell dmg focus.

Gonna test out some int again make sure it still works because i see no reason spdf shouldnt.

There are some mobs in APW which are healed by certain types of spell damage.  On the ones healed by frost and fire, I've noticed they take less damage from our secrets with that type of damage, but they are not healed by it. 

My guess is the secrets are treated as melee damage of the appropriate type, not spells.

well to be fair drunken doesnt have the agro it used to, and its rescues are every 30 sec. 

Fool hardy swagger is still bugged.... doesnt give hate all the time/correct ammount
Slap hands is bugged ... it deals dmg to the monk instead of the target

Gonna call a big fat bull SNARF that diamond skin offers nothing while soloing/tanking.  Auto removal of specific spells and 30% ac does quite a bit, and i grow tired of harmonious monks trying to underplay their class to avoide the fact that they are over powered.

While i agree if harmonious monks are gonna get diamond skin all 3 styles of monk should have something similar.  Haste is 100% worthless as is 4 end/6 sec.  I reallize it was just a suggestion and thats why im not rip it up. Same goes for drunken...

I think they could 5x multiply dragons dps and not make the other 2 obsolete.  Dragons get little to no utility other then a levitate/invis.

There should be a solid 3 choices of monks.

Dragon: High dps, low tanking, low utility
Harmonious: Middle dps, middle tanking, middle/high utility
Drunken: Low dps, high tanking, middle utility (in the form of tanking skills)

Harmonious monks make a great baseline of the average dps a monk should do.   They have tons of debuffs (a few are while tanking only) and a solid defensive stance.  This choice of monk should be for people who dont want to give up all utility and chances of tanking just for dps.

Dragon: This should be a sacrifice choice.  You should lose all the debuffs/self survival buffs harmonious/drunken has in exchange for being the top choice for dps.  ALA your raid has 2 harmonious/drunken monks already, no need for a 3rd so you go dragon to fill the roll of a high dps class.

Drunken: The other side of the sacrifice, you give up dps but gain in tanking and self preservation.  This should be the choice for monks who want to live the longest while pulling and do the best at tanking in small groups (of the 3 monks).


What i would suggest is to use harmonious as a baseline.  Subtract from their dps and add to their tanking and you get a drunken.....Go the opposite, and add to their dps and subtract from their tanking and get dragon.


Its pretty close at the moment dont get me wrong.  It would only take 3-4 bug fixes and 2-3 changes per style and it would be perfect.  As far as perm buffs, i do feel is unfair that harmonious are the only one to get any form.

Drunken:
+ melee/spell mitigation, + x% parry/dodge, add a perm X% block, etc...it should clearly make them stand out as a tank

Dragon:
a perm buff is a hard call but above all else it should increase dps.  refresh haste is nice, endurance regen is nice, but since the change to a 6 sec timer, end regen is virtually worthless unless you get on the order of 20+,  to me it all really depends on what sun dragons corona turns out to be.  Id hate for the 2 to over lap.

I have been actively telling all new monks / monks i group with on alts to respec and go for harmonious.   Many monks dont read these boards and most assume that dragon is the dps choice and just go for it.  After i suggest they try harmonious sooner, rather then later they are 99% of the time upset that dragon is so pathetic in comparison and that they waited so long to play a monk that can do something besides get hit real hard.

I agree with the ae's though. 
We have an ae stun (worthless, low dmg, 1 min timer, 3 sec stun)
Dragon breath (worthless low dmg , moderate jin, long reuse....soon to change i hope)
Divine finisher (i dont think i use it other then farming low level mobs, its nice dmg though, just wish it was an extra attack to PEH :-p instead of an ae)

1 ae is sadly more then enough for dragons.  our style specific endurance cost ae is instant reuse, more dmg then whirlwind, less enduracne cost then whirlwind, by and large no real reason to use anything but it

Well once you get out of the raiding mind set. its very obvious that the other 95% of monks do need an adjustment to dps.  Especially at lower levels.  Games should never be based off of what gear at the end game offers.  FFXI made that mistake (among 400 others) and the low levels jsut suffer from it.

On the same note, fd costs almost no dps lost.  0 cast time, can instantly stand back up, and resume atk.  you lose 10 end and the 2 seconds of global cool down which is very minimal and no different then if you had an agro reduction ability other then fd on success removes 100% hate.

Any update on this, was 2 weeks ago :-p QTM