dropped for us tonight from the archon:

Legion's choking grasp:
163-180 damage, 2.15 delay
+15 str, +11 vit
+68 damage rating, +27 crit hit
red text name (will try to get  a pic later)

For a 79 dps weapon, its kinda upseting

Arazamus - 17 str dex, (69.23 dps) 129-142
Handwraps of striking - 13 str, 9 dex, 4 vit 71 hp , (65dps)141-156 dmg

I mean its definatly the most dmg, but its other stats seem lacking.  No hp, no dmg proc, no dex, less str then a heroic fist wrap thats quested

Overall its upsetting,  It reminds me of eq1 in the velious days where you had to pick stats OR resists.... dmg OR stats etc

It is still the entry wing, so presumably better weapons later on.  Also we don't know what the base damage of a legendary level 53 1h weapon is, so don't know if some of the bonuses include a bonus to the damage, same way that striking works.

Anyone recommend a good offhand weapon to go with it?

i know we are only looking at dmg numbers which is why i use hand wraps of striking in game atm, because they are the most dmg of all weapons for dual wielders.

That being said i was more upset at the stats then the dmg.  Some hp and a better proc still would have been nice.  I just dont see that being a lvl 53 legendary weapon, comparing it to lvl 44 heroics, id mark it as t6 heroic, and on the low side at that, being as id expect t6 fist wraps of striking to have more hp/dex/str/vit and the same overall dmg.

Yeah i know its entry wing, i just think this whole assigning a max point value on items is wacky, legendary items never seem as good as they should be, they should be well better then heroic, but it seems most of the "points" go into upgrading the color of its name and very little into the stats.

They are actually very nice, just not as nice for Monks as they are for Discs. I don't think they were designed specificaly with Monk in mind as much as they were for discs.

Yeah our guild got the rogue dagger last night  http://vanguard.xanadu-community.com/items.php?page=viewItem&id=222

lets compare that to our version

Rogue Dagger ---- Monk fist from se
81.86 ------------------------81.90
159-194 (2.15)--------------164-181 (2.1)

101hp/118crit/104 melee dmg --------------------11 con/20dex/94 crit
5% chance to proc 1k dmg nuke, that life taps for 300------------------5% chance to life sap for up to 1k??

Droped from an easy 2 groupable entrance wing mob ----------- senetar in the cartheon wing


I guess if u ignore the fact that ours has SNARF stats compared to rogues they are about even.  That also depends on the proc actually doing 1k life tap ( i think i get the next one that drops but thats at least a week away before i can confirm)

The heal is anywhere between 1k to 1500, as well as increases your Jin by 1.

If the parsers are correct it seems it does more damage than it lifetaps. I was told it was hitting anywhere from 2k-4k damage on the mob and only returning partials to me (1k to 1500ish).

Also it buffs strength for like 6 seconds, I think it's +20.

I'm just not real sure what the concerns are honestly, it's a really nice weapon.

Now as far as the legionaires choking grasp. That is a decent weapon too and drops off an entry wing boss. It is completely appropriate for the effort to obtain it as well IMO. Yes it has Vitality on it does not make it useless for monks.

I was in no way saying a disc using the same weapon would have the same dps.
I got a nice knuckle from Archon, has +Vitality on it...seems such a waste, you can bet rogue's would be in uproar if a dagger dropped with Vitality on.
Maybe they can "balance" daggers so they are good for sorcs aswell as rogues, then i'd be happy ^^

As much as i need vitality for energy regen...oh wait...
Oh well the +0.0001 extra speed i get from the vitality is useful :P