So im switching forms again to update the skills lists and lo what to my wondering eyes should appear?

Deadly adder hand 5        22end   1   32s/g/i     4k dmg over 32 sec +1400 on finish +minus str from target

This is the harmonious version of

Feet of the fire dragon 4      22end      1       16s/g/i   1845 dmg over 16s

So lets note a few things
1) harmonious lasts 2x as long
2) harmonious does 3x as much total dmg
3) harmonious also comes with a massive str debuff
4) Feet of the fire dragon did 1k dmg (800dmg increase) prior gu 3.2
5) Deadly adder hand used to do 700 dmg after 32s (finishing dmg doubled, and a 4k dot was added to it)

Sorry i just keep failing to see how dragon monks can compete when harmonious monks are getting dmg buffs out the wazo.  I mean i could have understood the dmg doubling to 1400 and it being spread out over 32 sec instead of all at once at the end, but jebus, 4k dmg over 32 sec?  Thats MORE then dragons do, add in the extra 1400 dmg at the end, and its roughly 2.3k more dmg then dragons do with 2x feets of the fire dragon.


I really would like to see feet of the fire dragon uped to 4k dmg 32 sec with a con debuff on it.  Otherwise whats the point, dragons offensive stance sucks, our buff is currently a 280 sv fire ds (which it will stay for a good 4weeks minimum).

Additionally, steal the wind 3 needs to be put on a 1minute timer or drunken/dragons dodge based defensive attack needs to be made instantly reuseable. 

Well you are right about one thing, the majority of the changes benifited harmonious.  With very little for dragon.  Drunken got a few skill timers reduced, lost an edurance attack (jeering kick) that now costs jin and is only useable every 30 seconds.  Their foolhardy swagger also no longer adds hate to them. 

with this patch its next to impossible for drunken to hold agro like before, but they are now very useful for raid buffing hate.

dragon really didnt get anything, we got the dmg uped on dragon breath, but its still way to low for the reuse timer. 

Dragons need their stances reevaluated, imho the mit penalty either needs to go/change or the dps on the stance needs to go up enough to justify 0% mitigaiton for 90% of dragon monks.

they need sundragons converted into something useful dps wise, some form of buff that dragons can keep up 90% of the time thats overall a dps booster

In the description of dragons it says they specialize in high dmg high cost skills.  At the moment harmonious and drunken are doing just as much dmg if not more.   Give dragons something like chaos volley, a single skill we can spam and each hit consumes hp but does considerably more dmg.  That seems pretty high cost to me.


Harmonious monk should be the option for the monks who arent full time dps, and arent full time tanks.  A constant group tank/dou tank should be drunken , which i dont see it being anymore since they cant hold agro.  A constant dps monk should be dragon, but with the new changes harmonious and drunken are just about even if not more (especially on the harmonious side) then dragon. 

 

Look, Since the patch I've not had any problems holding aggro when I wanted to.  Players that are complaining just want a spammable jeering kick. F.Y.I. Foolhardy swagger is self targetable, and is an effective taunt IMO. The mode of tanking has changed across the board. You just aren't going to be able to lock a mob down with 1 move anymore. 

Completely unrelated to Fujitsu's quote, I do recognize the need for dragons to get some additional love.
The how is the thing.

Some of the stuff mentioned I already had down (Mitigation back to the "Old" way. Dragon Breath upgrade ( I dont think this got the damage upgrade I had talked about.) , Sun Dragon's Corona needs to be changed.

~QTM

This statement is completely unfair. 

Its was not just about holding hate, much more important was taking hate when needed.  It allowed the drunken monk to save his group, take pressure off healers when the tank was spiking, rescue a caster and many other things.  Your role in group and raid was very dynamic.  The combined abilities of being able to take hate at will plus avoid damage while you had it, then loose it at will were very powerful and fun.

My role now is useful, but not heroic.  Missing are the brief moments of glory where you saved a friend.  That is what I miss, not spamming jeering kick.

Side Note: To be an effective tank,  spamming jeering kick was a terrible idea; Foolhardy swagger + refresh reduction was much more effective.   Spamming jeering kick got you killed.

I agree my comments were a touch generalized, and not neccessarily directed at a particular persons playstyle Sergius, please don't think I was specificly targeting you with those comments.

As I dont want to derail the current thread's topic I'll start a new thread looking for feedback on Drunken Style post GU3.3

~QTM