Just to be clear I double checked with Talisker

Diamond Body is a +30% buff to base Armour Class not mitigation. Back away from the ledge.....

~QTM

which is what you originally posted.  I don't know how Fujitsu went from that to 30% mitigation.  30% mit is better than ANY mit buff in the game and would obviously be broken. 

BTW, any idea on any buffs in damage to the kick lines?

I slipped up i know its ac.  Just a typo.

And im sorry mcslappy but you are so full of miss information and bad conclusions its depressing.

For one , the 30% ac increase is roughly the same amount of ac increase dragon monks get from their lvl 50 defensive stance.

As currently structured, drunken is really the middle tier.  So it kinda makes sense that harmonious gets a defensive buff. Seriously, Harm gets 4 additional 3x melee damage finishers.  Harm gets a friggin 1x kick finisher and the tree line.  Certainly sounds like harm is actually the defensive monk to me.

No its not, drunk is the defensive monk, they have 2 taunts, a single target and an ae.  Drunkens quest focuses on avoidance, swaying, and not being hit.  The description of the class is that its the defensive choice.   I assume you ment drunken get a 4 hit 3x melee damage finisher.  For 1 they only get TWO additional hits not 4, and its on a 60 second timer, not instant reuse.  The damage of celestial kick of the master is balanced based on instant reuse, and melee + 600 is pretty damn good for an instant reuse, infact i beleive its the most damaging monk attack on an instant reuse.

ALL monks get a unique line.
Dragons - Sunder / gouging -> first attack makes the second attack do +50% dmg, second one is a 5k dot over 4 seconds
Harmonious - Northwind - > First attack debuffs target dps, second attack makes the target take an additional 300 dmg every time it hits something
Drunken -> First hit makes the second always crit , both are direct dmg > harmonious, but harmonious gets more potential dps from the +300 dmg every time the mob hits someone


Look at the buffs
Wave hands in the clouds 3 -Counter attack for 290 dmg for 20 sec (you still get hit) 4 min reuse
Diamond body II - perm +30% ac and immunity to poison/disease/curse (well it removes then when it tics)
Find the center- 100% parry and dodge for 20 sec, 5 min reuse

vs

Maggnifecent drunken stagger- 15 second avoidance buff, 30 min reuse - ill assume this is being lowered to 5 min, since all other monks 30 min buffs are being changed.  Would appreciate some input from QTM
Slap hands - perm version of wave hands, that does more damage just have to recast it every 60 sec

Now the defensive stances
drunken - 9%dodge/parry and a minor (<40 pt ) damage shield
harmonious - 8% dodge/parry -25% endurance cost

2 less attacks, they give them up for 2 taunts of which they only use when tanking
both of harmonious's extra attack do damage (more so now)
1 less defensive buffs, (drunken has 2).  On a whole the fact that harmonious gets the same/worse versions of the same defensive buffs drunken gets would have to indicate drunken is MORE intended to tank. 

 

I dont disagree with the fact the drunken are currently the middle monk dps wise atm, but with changes coming up, i wouldnt be suprised if harmonious monks dps overtook drunken.   Then drunk is down to being the lowest dps, and worse tank then harmonious.


I am in no way OVER valuing the debuffs.  Northwind + deathly adder + eagle make for a serious increase in soloability.  Solo the same mob on harmonious and dragon, harmonious will finish at 70% hp dragon will finish at 30% hp, so dont tell me im OVER valuing it.

So it is your oppinion that the intended medium class (by its definitition) have a defensive stance that would effectivly work like this?
+30% ac, immune to poison disease curse, +8%parry/dodge, -25% endurance

When the intended Defensive class sits at
+9% parry/dodge with 40 pt ds?

In what world is 1% parry/dodge THAT much better?

Now i know thats only in defensive stance, which is bolstered the most by the change, but again you think its fair or even balanced to have the equivalent of dragon monks defensive stance on, on a perminant basis? Regardless of stance?  Previously, it was a 1 min buff of +2kac with a 30 min cool down, which i wont argue is useless.  The skill itself would be more balanced as a 1 min up, 5 min cool down buff though.  Also, 30% ac only adds 2-3% mitigation if your in full green gear, if your in full heroic gear, 30% ac adds about 10% mitigation, and more so when your in full fabled after they add raid gear.

Currently with northwind, if a mob hits 1 time per 2 seconds, thats 15 hits x ~300 dmg worth of extra damage which would EASILY set harmonious over drunkens dps.  Even if the mob is slowed to the point of 1 swing per 3 sec (50% slow) thats still 3000 extra dmg.  QTM even said that the mobs werent fighting back so they couldnt count that on the parse. 


And no, i dont have a problem with harmonious monk have a perminant version of my defensive stance, if i can have a perminant version of your offensive stance since your claiming that harmonious is the tank.  Give me +40% crit rate full time.   Thats your logic isnt it?  The defensive monk should get a full time version of the offensive monks defensive stance?  So how about the other way around, give me a full time version of yours...


Drunken WAS higher dps, i garuntee with all the changes to monks harmonious will>> drunken.

First of all the stance is only the 8% parry/dodge, -25% endurance.

Second, the BUFF isn't any better than the various other buffs already in the game.


What?  On a permanent basis?  +30% AC isn't that great, certainly not with the AC available to medium users. as a medium wearer you are going to be maxed at around 3k AC if you trade everything off for AC.  That 30% will give you 1k AC and will likely not stack with most of the AC buffs in the game.  That 1K AC will translate into 3 to a max of 4% mitigation.

And yes, the buff was useless.  The 2K AC barely made any difference in mob damage.   It didn't last long and was on a horrendous cool down.  The immunity is almost useless as almost none of the debuffs and dots in the game proc as a curse, disease, or poison.




What permanent version of your defensive stance are you talking about?  Cause I certainly don't see us getting +9% dodge/parry regardless of stance.  You get a higher defense defensive stance and a higher damage offensive stance.  If you are talking about dragon, then yeah, your defensive stance sucks but you get the best offensive stance.  Oh well.  Plus Dragon has a whole list of changes that will increase their DPS above and beyond what either drunken or harmonious get.  As far as drunken, let QTM reveal what buffs they are getting and then complain.  So far you are just raging at windmills.


Possibly but we won't know until all the changes are in.

Your missing the point slappy.

+30% ac is really close to Dragon monks defensive stance.  Infact once you have 3+ fabled gear it will be better then or defensive stance. 

+30% ac on ALL the time (its an INNATE skill) would stack with your defensive stance making your defensive stance +30% ac, 8% dodge/parry, - end cost.  What i mean by "permenant" was that at lvl 30+ harmonious monks would have the same ac as a dragon monk in defensive stance, regardless of what stance the harmonious monk is in. 

I guess your just not aware of what its like to be +20% ac, 15% ac and 10% ac all the time, the fact we (dragon monks) get hit harder then pure casters at lvl 50 is a joke. 

As I've posted, I think all 3 monks need a unique passive.  Mit for harmonious, avoidance for drunken, dmg proc for dragon.  Somewhat based off of their current buffs.


You should be getting as hard as a pure caster in offensive stance as a dragon, the thing that was broken is you should be doing as much if not more damage.  The whole yin and yang thing.  take a look at my idea for passives, I think the passives would add a lot to the styles and increase their flavor.

Though as an admendment to the drunken, it would be nice if the drunken passive was just a straight 10% avoidance buff (melee, range, spell).

And I think it would be cool if dragon had a proc that would convert jin into damage, maybe modify the passive proc to do it. at say 1 jin to 1x melee damage.