No offense to you quinn, i wasnt saying you only gave 85%.  However i would say that since your not as formiliar with drunken/dragon you might not have performed them to the best of you ability.  Little things like always using jin surge then feet of the fire dragon will garuntee you do atleast a 3k dmg (instead of the usualy 1k). 

I was refering to other class leads (such as rogue) only going about 85% because they might not use the same flettchettes or poisons. 

Also you might want to consider that drunken dps goes up abut 300 points when tanking due to slap hands, a counter attack that can be maintained indefinatly and dealls 200-400 dmg every time the mob hits the monk (its more a DSthat can crit  then a counter)  The reason drunkens dps is so high at all at 50 is because they have 4 hit thousand fist chain.  8 seconds out of every 45 is spent doing 6k hits (non crit), not to mention that drunkens offensive stance is almost identical to dragons (its missing a proc and 5% crit rate)

Also the drunken version of north wind is far more direct damage, and as quin said, the mob wasnt fighting back and as such that cuts harmonious's dmg by a lot. 

 

Just as an FYI, AFAICT, all damage shields can crit.  I crit damage shields from armor and buffs all the time.

I find that hard to beleive.

At 30 its minus 20% mitigation, and if your at 18 % mitigation  18 -20 = 0 thankfully.

At 50 with full ultra rare gear im sitting at 10% mitigation (20-10=10)

actually i have a 25 shaman and im not aware of any penalty, especially for the bear shaman (since thats what i am) infact bear form adds hp regen, energy rege, ac, and dmg.  the only penalty is they dont have a pet to tank

Just curious did you and tali talk about palm explodes the heart any at all?

I agree whole heartidly with you there, secrets being based on int and ignore pain on vit is retarded. 

Although i feel we need more then just secrets fixed to fix our dps

PEH needs a twek.

Kick to the heavens needs to be something besides +600 dmg ( flying kick and celestial kick of the master both have modifiers)

Iron hand needs to be more powerful then just +90 dmg ( and litterally thats all it is, its the difference between a 1k hit and a 1090 dmg hit)

Weapon specialization needs to be fixed, i see no disernable difference in using any weapon over another, while this wont FIX monks, its a much needed fix.

Offensive stances of all forms of monk need to be re- evaluated, Dragon needs to be more powerful if its gonna make them take hits like pure casters.  harmonious needs an endurance break if they are fixing endurance regen, drunken probably needs to be toned down a hair so the class itself doesnt over power the harmonious/dragons.

Weapons like bladestaffs need actual dmg procs (the only current one is +spell dmg)

We need better learned skills, go look at rangers or rogues.  15% dmg 5% crit rate, perma buff from a learned skill and we get 15 sec of dodge every 2 min?

Jin surge needs to only go off on a hit, not on attacks (aka no being burned up on misses)

The 5 min reuse garunteed crit skill sucks, 4 jin on all forms of monks, and it does 200-400 dmg, which is absolutly pathetic damage.  And 5 min recast? i crit 90% of the time on crescent kick what do i need this skill for?



Okay done ranting for now ;-/

I play on test a lot now, so i know exactly what to expect for monks come tuesday.  Gu3 is also supposed to bring in the new patch server update method so hopefully we wont have to keep waiting 6 weeks for patches

I've presented him with a document which was a sumation of our recent threads + conversations I've had with a bunch of level 50s. SoE acknowledges there needs to be a change but I havent heard much beyond that.

Our mantra is still pretty much: More DPS, fix FD.