So any results yet from the class DPS tests that were conducted with the class leads and the devs last week?

Talisker's not sure how to add one that scales through all the levels? How about a new ability line, then? Or improving the damage, of say, the Celestial kick line (as this is one of the first we get and it can constantly be used without downtime)?

My suggestions would be to modify iron hand

Ih 1 = +9 dmg, ih6 = 90 dmg... overall very unimpressive self buff.

How about:

Iron hand 1 = 5 % crit 10% melee dmg
ih2- 6% crit 11% dmg
ih3- 7% crit 12% dmg
ih4- 8% crit 13% dmg
ih5- 9% crit 14% dmg
ih6- 10% crit 15% dmg

As long as tihs stacked with dragon/harmonious stances, it would easily bump us up the dps gap considerably. 
Dragons offensive stance + ih6 = 39% dmg and 15% crit
Harmonious offensive (with withering hand) = 25% dmg and 40% crit
Both of those are very solid numbers and easily would make monks in offensive stance a force to be reconed with.

Before anyone says its out of line/over powered....Tiger talisman is a lvl 18 ranger buff that adds 5% crit and 15% melee dmg. 

The only reason i suggest this is,
1) it makes our self dps buff better then just +dmg and would scale with us
2) its more inline with other offensive class dps buffs
3) it wouldnt require a whole new system to be put in just a modification of an old system.

Sounds good to me, too.

Here we go.

With iron hand 6 (+91 to melee attacks)
Main hand 742-757
Off hand 369-378
Without iron hand 6
Main hand 679-694
Off hand  337-347

Difference
Main hand + 63  (9% increase in dps)
Off hand + 31    (9% increase in dps)
Total = 94 (probably modified from all my + melee dmg rating gear)

So no, iron hand currently adds to the melee dmg for one, and for two it adds to the main and off hand to TOTAL 91.  Aka, at 50, with the 2 largest dmg dual wields, you get a 9% increase.  So at 50, we would be gaining 6% dps and 10% crit over current.  Which seems reasonable.

Try to remember that the +91 from iron hands doesn't scale with new weapons.  Lets say raids come along, and all of the sudden you have 2x 88 dps dual wielders.  Iron hands would only add 4% to your total dps. 

While i would absolutely love 30% dmg and 10% crit buff, i feel thats a bit over powered, considering dragon stance adds 24% dmg currently, which i believe is the best stance in the game.   I think at most, 20-25% dmg at 50 would be the most we could reasonable ask for.  Simply because that would put dragon monks at + 50% dmg.

Yeah the kick line has no cool down and averages about 6k on my harmonious.  Im not ever sure what the divine avalanche line averages since i never use it.   Dont get me wrong i still think dragon monk needs extra work to set it above harmonious and drunken. 

I was just making a suggestion as far as all monks go. 

Dragon monks sadly need a lot of work to get their dps where it should be.  They have the least utility of the monks and no special defensive skills that help them stay alive.  Add on top of that they sit on a mitigation penalty of 20% (lvl 15 to 29) 15% (30 to 49) and 10% (50).    Harmonious monks sit on a endurance penalty for their offensive stance, 40% might seem hefty, but with 3-5 endurance regen it doesnt even phase me. 

All dragon monk skills need a good looking at and hefty buffing.  More damage, more weakness exploits, etc.  Not to mention our Storm dragon stance (offensive) need a bit of improvement.  Drunken sit at 22% dmg, and dragon get 24% dmg 5% crit and a 10% proc.  Which at first seems like more then enough difference....but then you realize drunken are the DEFENSIVE monk and dont get a mitigation penalty to their stance.  That 10% mitigation debuff (20% originally) should mean a lot more offense then it gives.   Personally, i think the offensive stance line should look like this (i forgot their names :-( )

Storm Dragon- 25% dmg 10% proc 5% crit - 20% mitigation
Mighty Storm Dragon - 30% dmg 15% proc 10% crit
Legendary Storm dragon  - 35% dmg 20 % proc 15% crit

That 10% more crit and damage at 50, and for the monk thats supposed to be the most offensive that seems more in line to me.  As is harmonious sit at 30% crit (stance) 10% dmg (whitering palm) and dragons sit at 5% crit 24% dmg.

Before
 Dragons get 14% more dmg and 25% less crits then harmonious.  Leaving us at an impass because technically, harmonious is getting more overally damage modifiers.
After
 Dragons would get 25% more dmg and 15% less crits then harmonious,  This makes it so we actualy have 10% more dmg modifiers then harmonious.

Additionally i think sun dragons corona needs to be changed, currently its a damage shield, which doesnt make sense to the fact that dragon monks are not the dps tanks.  Not really sure what id want atm, but a damage shield really is wasted on a toon that gets hit harder because of mitigation penaltys.  Maybe a large dmg fire proc, or a buff to enhance fire procs (secret of flame) or hell even a 10% haste (even though its useless it makes more sense then a ds)

This goes back a bit, but I submitted some requests for dragon monk enhancements prior to GU1 for the dragon style. Last I heard these are still on the board to go live eventually.

All Styles
*Sneak

Dragons
*Levi / Invis improvements
*AE attacks to get a modest bump in dmg
*Single target chain for Dragon style
*Sun Dragons Corona changed to work like Clerics PBAOE spell so it is an aggressive abilitiy not passive.

I also think you guys are not giving enough credit to the storm dragon proc, it's a notable chunk of DPS over the course of my DPS testing.

Drunken
*More aggro manipulation buffs/debuffs for both taunts and detaunts
*Drunken Swagger anti-cloning (All versions are the same)

Just keep that stuff in mind when considering upgrades.

~QTM

just to clarify, are you saying 6k per attack for the kick line or for the line total?