not only that our mez will be useless too, i think the should nerf the stones not the monks and our fd is still broken so after seeing this i dont want the fd fixed lol

our somewhat limited utility?  thats about our only utility.  hey I'm fine with it, as long as we do 2-3x our current damage in raids 


It sounds like Averam needs to make a lot of class changes then.  He does know that a necro can FD and rez people pretty much continously right?  Without stones!  Disco can do the same, but discos right now get their butts handed to them in raids anyways.

Hm I'll probably get boo'ed  but the the way i understood it it was as follows.

They want to remove the ability for people (disciple/necro/monk) to leave combat and use alternative forms of rez. 

Problem:
1) All 3 classes can fd and then use a rez stone
2) Necro / Disciple can fd then CAST a rez spell

There were two posts on the offical forums about this weeks ago....

Heres the link about disciple/necro rezing:
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=90&topic_id=16437&#172366

Heres the link where they talk about monks: http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=105&topic_id=16437&#174899

As far as i knew the changes they had planed werent to remove our ability to exit combat directly, they were just looking for a way to insure zerg rezing wasnt an option.

However with the changes to fd mentioned earlier.... http://www.vanguardmonks.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,27/topic,828.0/  would make it impossible for feign to remove us from agro
The way fd works as far as healer rezing is about to change drastically anyways i would think.  With the current raid system you stay on the mobs agro list.  Say a raid 12 mob for example: can only have 12 people max on him.  The way it works is like this:

2 groups join up and form a raid. (check social tab) when ANYONE in those 2 groups engages a raid mob it is considered sol property of that raid.  That mob will not attack anyone else, and no one else can heal/buff/rez the targets of the mob.  Likewise, the mob can not be attacked by other groups.   So feigning death should only drop your agro while still considering you 'in combat'  since your one of the 12 people listed on the raid mobs list.


This is all fine with me, if i was forced to sit there and rez the whole time i would feel that the healers arent doing their job, or the melee arent doing thiers.  (healing or jousting if need be)  I signed up as a dps class, not a raid rezer.

Maybe im missing something, but my ability to rez mid fight has never been a factor that made groups want me.  It was my moderate to high dps that  i could sustain with fd.  Infact more often then not the group whipes and im left fd with no stones.

Personally i was under the impression that all they were changing was the rez stones so they would no longer be usable in combat, which is fine.  An easier way to say it would be "Resurrect if no player in the group has an npc agro on them" 

I promise there will be feign death immune mobs, or at least mobs where feign death has a success rate of next to 0.   Theres already mobs in stirhad that are immune to feign, 10+ successful feigns in a row and they will still sit there and attack the entire time.                           

A monks ability to FD and rez the healer after a wipe is propably the ONLY thing that makes  us even slightly useful at the moment. This game is a shambles anyway, but they might at least try to make every class appealing in its own way. Face it, a monks dps isnt that great when compare to other classes and certainly we have nearly zero utility even with FD. Take that and what the F*** do we have left?

Not to mention what the F*** is going on with monk fighting styles? Saying something and the truth being quite opposite is just bs.

Its quotes like this that really make me wonder how well other people play a monk.  Rez is not "probably the only" utility.

All monks can mez.
All monks can pull (atm pull 4 then fd, your garunteed to get 1 stuck to you.
Drunken monks can hold agro over any defensive tank.
Harmonious monks can use about 5-7 different debuffs at once.

DPS wise, ive been playing a drunken atm, and i can honestly say at 50 druken > dragon for dps.  Aum kor + Drunken master stance = 30 sec refresh on thousand fist line and thousand fists becomes a 4 hit finisher.

However, at 50 all 3 classes of monks are top notch dps.  I can easily crank out more then respectable dps numbers, give me a bard, and i have all the casters drooling.

Granted at low levels this isnt the case, and it wasnt till 45+ that our dps became nice.  I think one of the biggest holds was lack of ur gear (no ur hides for a long time) and how uneven our dmg skill distribution is.  All i know is at 50, anyone whos grouped with me would do it again because my dps and utility is more then just "get a monk incase we wipe"

Try playing dragon monk. Any class that has one variant that is pretty much useless compared to the others is BROKEN. Fix it thank you.