I see know problem, thats why we have a total aggro wiping ability.

I know what the workaround is, but this has only been happening since GU #2...hence my question as to whether you've noticed the same thing POST-update.

I see no need for any changes to waning palm.

As is 1 feign death instantly removes ALL agro.   I find at the moment that i peel whenever i group with a bard.  It doesnt take more then 1-2 attacks and i have agro.     

I start the fight with my first attack being goading , then i go until i peel, then a feign, stand, and using goading again.

Well as is, it takes 3-4 waning palms to get the mob off someone who peels the tank.  Which makes me think that the 8-10 seconds of trying to reduce our agro if we peel would be easier to spend less then a second to feign, stand, and resume attacks.   

   As is waning palm deals 1200-1300 dmg non crit, so the agro reduction on it would need to be huge to over compensate for that.  Im not sure how the mechanics work but if i had to guess i would assume it lowers agro by a set amount regardless of the dmg it deals.


If waning palm did work on self, it would be great, but i still think fd would be worlds better.   As is you can only use wanning palm once the mob is off the main thank (aka on you) and then it still is going to take 2-3 to remove it from you, at which point youve done maybe 2-4k more dmg from waning palm alone.   

Unless wanning palm was made to be useable on self, ANY time, it would be useless in comparision to feign.   1 feign, less then a second of down time every 20% of mob hp garuntees ill never peel.   One fd at 80 and another at 50%, and i can fight the rest of the fight full out.

What you guys think a FD is made for? Even in EQ, first real monk FD, was made for totaly agro reduce - people used it also for pulling and furter content was build on FD pulling.

Feign Dead is best and surest agro reduce ever.  I understand we are complaining about our second skills for agro reduce but also we forget about our prime agro reduce skill -> Feign Dead.

Using ten times in fight a "better/new/whatever" wanning palm to remove hate is stil less damage than FD ones or twice in long fight and rest of time using full damage styles.

Modify agro transfer tools, such as Goading Slap, to help build faster agro on MT, agro reducing tools we have good enough.

FD > all,  Sorcs would kill for such tool.

Sorry, but crying about DPS - it is something that all classes do. Monks do decent nice, top damage. Im middle range, in high end too. 

Do you ever played Sorc? Do yout think cause someone hits 10K crit sometimes had that much higher DPS as someone whos doing all time avarage dps? Monk can handle high burst damage, monk can dish damage without be manaeater for healers - non other "dps class" can this (maybe Rogue, only one that i never played over 30ish). Sorc is 6 feet under if he are just smashing one button from the first second without turning on his brain.

Whatever, in every game is the same thing, all classes are crying about other classes and all classes are doing less DPS than others and all classes have less "cool things" that others.

If you want some "uberness" monk things, here are just two:

-  Monk is only class that can exploit his own weeknesses
-  Monk is only class that have more than one attack not on random timer

I can continue that.

If you ask me to be sorc or monk - in case of dishing damage - i look on tools they have and how they dish damage and i would ever stay monk.

Love your class - dont live looking up on other classes

Sorry i dont mean it rude, i just defend our class...

If anything we should have as much if not more DPS than a sorc since we have a lot higher risk vs reward and a much more complex combat system.  Plus Sorcs have more general utility than we do, and don't even get me started on their dropped and learned skills.