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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 07:41:29 PM »
Quote from: Kivik on September 22, 2007, 11:40:53 AM
Mobs still run back to spawn point and at the same time during our APW runs. 2 monks can consistantly split any set of mobs and also choose exactly what mob comes to the group.

Great. So groups need two monks to split mobs, or just one bard, paladin, rogue, psionicist, etc. Guess which option they'll choose in normal group setups? They need to make good on all their promises, including mobs running back at different paces, or I'd actually prefer how it is now on Live.

Second, I think I can live with the solution to rez stones. It does mean everyone in the group has to wipe before we're able to rez the healer, meaning the usefulness of our utility gets reduced.
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2007, 07:42:39 PM »
Quote from: Swang on September 22, 2007, 03:35:14 AM
You got the right idea Khana, Reed in the Wind and Swaying Step helps here too  Wink

Mind you @ 50 you still die a lot in the palace  Tongue

Oh, and those. Forgot to mention them. Nevertheless, RitW is always down and Swaying Step blocks just the one hit.
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2007, 08:37:16 PM »
Something to remember is that, at least at the start, it was one of Vanguard's concepts to make different classes excel at different types of fights; e.g. warriors tank best vs magic users, dread knights against undead, etc.  So, there may well be some fights where its good to have a bunch of disciples in the raid and others where disciples don't shine as much (other classes may find themselves like this as well).

I dunno if this will be the case or if SoE is putting this into practice anymore.  I just remember that it was one of the things that Sigil talked about during beta.  If they do continue with this, it'll be interesting to see how it works out for Raid content.  It would add another element to raid strategies but might estrange some of the more unique classes.
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2007, 02:32:16 PM »
Quote from: Khana Kopnisien on September 23, 2007, 07:41:29 PM
Quote from: Kivik on September 22, 2007, 11:40:53 AM
Mobs still run back to spawn point and at the same time during our APW runs. 2 monks can consistantly split any set of mobs and also choose exactly what mob comes to the group.

Great. So groups need two monks to split mobs, or just one bard, paladin, rogue, psionicist, etc. Guess which option they'll choose in normal group setups? They need to make good on all their promises, including mobs running back at different paces, or I'd actually prefer how it is now on Live.

Second, I think I can live with the solution to rez stones. It does mean everyone in the group has to wipe before we're able to rez the healer, meaning the usefulness of our utility gets reduced.

I was refering to Raid Mob splitting and not single group splitting and only on the new Raid stuff currently on test..and alot of that stuff is immune to those other methods of pulling.
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2007, 09:34:54 AM »
Well its obvious the first half of the code got pushed to test (mobs no longer bug on fd, and only the highest level mob is the check for pass/fail)

QTM if you talk to any devs, see if you can find out what happed to the second half of the code where mobs will walk back.
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2007, 12:21:35 PM »
The code you refer to is in place but it's currently bugged / exploitable so it's not ready just yet. I am attempting to get something a little more concrete from Talisker.

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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2007, 12:34:34 AM »
Any hints about when is GU3 coming online?
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2007, 07:43:17 AM »
I don't think they have a set deadline on GU#3 just yet.  I personally would have it be as bug free as possible prior to going live.

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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2007, 09:28:40 AM »
Well, I for one don't need to see FD 2.0 in GU 3 per se, as long as it gets pushed to live in a working state.
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2007, 11:23:25 AM »
Update:

I wanted to make sure this was not being overlooked. The mob pause prior to going back to spawn intertwined with thier mob anti warping fix. Coding still has work to do on this.

I did emphasie to Talisker that if you are going to take away the bugged version of FD and fix it. To give us the tools neccessary to do it right. He does understand and is on board with it.

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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2007, 08:50:23 PM »
can you ask taliskar if there will be fd+ gear atleast, in RI palace area i sometimes get 3 fd fails in a row usauly once though so thats like 50% success on lvl52+ and the penalty on fd 2.0 is too high if the mob is higher lvl, especialy in raids.
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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2007, 09:07:34 PM »
Quinn, perhaps it could be an idea to let the mobs 'camp' us longer if we had a DoT on them, so we can choose which one stays? I don't know if Harmonious or Drunken monks get one, so that could be a potential problem to that solution...

EDIT: From the SOE boards, as part of the GU3, phase 1 highlights:

"-Failing feign death will now allow a monster to attack you."

Any clue what this means, Quinn?
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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2007, 05:37:42 AM »
Quote from: Khana Kopnisien on October 05, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
EDIT: From the SOE boards, as part of the GU3, phase 1 highlights:

"-Failing feign death will now allow a monster to attack you."

Any clue what this means, Quinn?

Yes, sometimer when you Fd, you lay there and still in fight cause FD failed, but mobs are standing next to you and DONT beat you - it is bug, you are in fight but somehow FD and noone beats you. In future those mobs next to you will kick ya in the face when you lay down there Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2007, 12:30:54 PM »
Quote from: Deshiro Mifune on October 06, 2007, 05:37:42 AM
Quote from: Khana Kopnisien on October 05, 2007, 09:07:34 PM
EDIT: From the SOE boards, as part of the GU3, phase 1 highlights:

"-Failing feign death will now allow a monster to attack you."

Any clue what this means, Quinn?

Yes, sometimer when you Fd, you lay there and still in fight cause FD failed, but mobs are standing next to you and DONT beat you - it is bug, you are in fight but somehow FD and noone beats you. In future those mobs next to you will kick ya in the face when you lay down there Smiley

That's one possible explanation. But it could also mean the "bug" where the 4th mob will stay on you, is now gone. That's why I'm asking Quinn.
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2007, 03:07:43 PM »
that bug is gone on test..has been for 2 patches
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