Yeah, that's possible as well. I would say under 20% or even lower, though, if we want to keep the 5 minute refresh timer.  I like Solandis' idea as well, different timers for the different steps so we don't have 3 buttons we'll use every five minutes.

Yup, agree it would make PEH largely useless if certain mobs were immune.  That said, it doesn't seem that's what they are doing to necro's.  I've seen named level 50 6-dots taken down with a single necro spell.  Maybe the necro skill is over-powered but I never call for a nerf to other classes, for that matter nobody said monks had to do more damage than necros but I'll be disappointed if we aren't at least roughly equal.

Maybe I'm just falling for the roleplaying aspect the name of the skill implies, Palm Explodes Heart sounds pretty damn terminal to me.  I'm sure there's probably some historical precedent but the skill just reminds of the end-scene from Kill Bill 2, 5-point Palm Exploding Heart attack lands, Bill Carradine takes 3 steps and dies...

Or maybe replace the incredibly cool sounding and equally useless Dragon Breath skill we got at 50?  It would have been worth it to have the useless skill if it was accompanied by fire-breathing particle effects from the players mouth but minus the cool screen-shot opportunity I'd gladly exchange this skill for something useful.

For those that dont know

Three finger strike - 596-632
Hammer Fist -769-813
Palm Explodes the heart -3000-3100

None scale based on weapon or level at all.

At lvl 50, with player made ultra rare fist wraps (2x 64) my melee dmg is 1200-1300 (primary + secondary).  That means in 1.84 seconds (or less with aum kor) i can out dmg the first hit of PEH, then before id even be able to use the second hit, i would have done double the total possible.  And by the third hit PEH would out dmg auto atk.

6 seconds - 3900-4300 auto atk (if all hit)
or  4365-4500 if u use PeH

There in is the issue.  PeH overal does only slightly more dmg then auto atk.  And less dmg then 1 move from thousand fist/thunder fist combo.

i just don't believe that they will give as a chain with a snare, stun and dot that also does massive amounts of damage on every move. and if i have to choose between a high damage chain on a 5 minute refresh and my version of peh i'd rather take my version. for damage we also have the tousand fists chain maybe they can tweak something there too 

I really hate being a negative nany, but flying kick/kick to the heavens are weak attacks (maybe celestial kick is a harmonious thing) and do only about 100 more dmg then auto atk.

Thousand fist however is an amazing attack, its 3*(weapon dmg +150) and if hammer fist did that dmg id be happy

And again, our current PEH does 3k fist dmg....so uping it to 4k... not so great.  I really would prefer a modifer of weapon dmg or melee dmg.  Its name implys its a one hitter from a palm, so maybe "melee dmg+2k , and an addition melee+2k every 2 seconds for 10 seconds" ......That would be 3k initial for an average monk at 50 which is the EXACT same as what it does now, then 5 tics for about 3k, which is about what the gouging finisher does. 


As far as the stun/snare/massive dot trio...
Monks dont get 12 seconds of crit, we dont even get mana.  We have 2 attacks as a dragon that let us make the next hit crit, IF they land.  Both cost jin, and 1 is a 1min timer the other a 5 min. 

 If they do add a snare it wil be like frostbite and last 12 seconds ish.  Which is fine.

If they add a stun, it will more likely end up as a 1-2 second stun, this is the part of the finisher i dont really care for either way.  Personally, relying on a stun as the second part of a 5 minute finisher to interrupt someone isnt that overpowering or even reliable.  Instead of a stun, id like to see the sundering dragon dmg modifier be applied to it. (see below)

The dot however, im a firm beleiver in.  The gouging combo has it, as well as feet of the fire dragon, and i love hitting a dot for 4-5k and watching the mob tick away.


TFS - melee dmg +330 , 12 second snare.  Adds Soul Wracked ----Exploits Bitten (or any other random weakness)

HF - 2*(melee dmg +110),  increase the dmg of the next attack by 25%, and increase the chance of a crit by 10% ---Exploits Soul Wracked ----Adds Bleeding

PEH - Melee dmg +2k initially and ever 2 seconds for 10 seconds (6 total tics) ---Exploits Bleeding ---Adds Stunned (again any random one it adds is fine)

Total dmg - 18k average

I'm not very keen on the idea of instant aggro on 3 finger strike or the extra hate on hammer fist. 

Unintentionally the instant aggro of 3 finger strike could be used as a rescue with 100% chance of success.  While it might be useful to have something like this I don't think it would be combined with PEH. 

Not so sure it would be a very welcome skill in groups either.  Stealing aggro from the tank when we're in offensive stance (low AC) and expecting the healer to chain heal us until we land PEH might be expecting too much.  Healer gains more aggro chain-healing the monk and then the monk FD's - potentially leaving the healer at the top of the aggro list. 

I like the idea of a snare being included with 3 finger strike and 12 seconds sounds adequate.  We wouldn't be able to snare all the time but could be extremely useful if the group snarer dies in the middle of a fight.

I'm still hoping PEH ends up being an instant kill when the mob gets under xx.x% of HP.  Considering it requires 3 successful attacks and has a 5 minute timer I'd say when the mob was under 20-25% HP.  If that doesn't work out then I'm hoping for a massive DOT with a chace to crit on PEH.