Repost to emphasize the harsh penalties on Storm Dragon Stance. Quinn, do you have any idea why they changed it for the worse a while back? How do they explain having worse mitigation than a cloth wearer while doing our main job?

As much as we're all enjoying the greatly appreciated GU 3.3 changes... am still very curious how we're comparing to other monk classes.  Be real interested to hear how we're comparing, and whether or not there may be some Dragon monk specific enhancements coming Quinn...

oh, and i know this has probably been touched on 100 times already but 3rd chain aoe finisher? bleh? i mean its great if i want to....slay 30 greys at once, maybe instead of a 3rd aoe finisher, throw one on top of our dragon mastery finishers, or both!

Huh, i don't feel i have too much problem solo'ing mobs granted i don't think i've ever taken a 4 dot mob.. is that possible? are you drunken and harmo monks able to solo a 4dot of blue or even con? heck even lblue ?

sun dragons corona is semi useless and ifs being compared to find the center then we are truely jipped. its partially useful for apw where some mobs ae fire, but definately no where even in the ball park of what i'd trade to have find the center.

I'm resaonabilty happy with dragon, tho i do admit i don't find myself using many of the abilities - i do the usual chain of cresent kick, finishers, maybe a boundless fist or 2, jin surge and feet of fire kick (gets decent with a crits, have had a few 4-5k dots, usually 1.5-2k) i use aspect of spirit dragon for SNARFs and giggles only really, and the frontal ae is great!....well great for building jin with no mobs around, or slaughering that group of grey lvl 8 mobs you just ran thru...


oh - had an idea how bout give dragon monks an extra fist of fire and fist of ice? would increase dps, easy to implement and would kinda be in line of what everyone else has, just a step up.

Uh if youve never played a harmonious your seriously missing out on monk potential.  Like mbchrono said, you can solo blue and light blue 4 dot mobs relatively easily.  Ive been telling people for a while that harmonious is the way to go, becase at the moment they are ridiculously over powered in comparison to dragon. 

the only time ive solo 'ed a 4 dot as a dragon is at 50 fighitng lvl 36 grey 4 dots. 

Sun dragons corona is a total joke of an ability in comparison to find the center/magnificent drunken swagger.  It needs to be an offensive buff.  That being said im done ranting, im just getting tired of dragons being so far worse, and how i feel like i beg to get changes for dragons when harmonious constantly get buffs and upgrades when they really didnt need them before hand. 


i do agree with mbchrono again though, dragons penalties are way to steep, coronoa and aspect and dragon breath are worthless,  the 3rd ae to the finisher chain is ncie dmg but again worthless for 90% of dmg situations.  Hp regen would be better if they scaled it to your max hp.  maybe 5% per 5 seconds. 

I wouldnt mind dragon having such harsh penalties if we had enough dps to kill the same mobs harmonious can take out 95% of the time, just much faster

 Uh if youve never played a harmonious your seriously missing out on monk potential.  Like mbchrono said, you can solo blue and light blue 4 dot mobs relatively easily.  Ive been telling people for a while that harmonious is the way to go, becase at the moment they are ridiculously over powered in comparison to dragon. 

the only time ive solo 'ed a 4 dot as a dragon is at 50 fighitng lvl 36 grey 4 dots. 

Sun dragons corona is a total joke of an ability in comparison to find the center/magnificent drunken swagger.  It needs to be an offensive buff.  That being said im done ranting, im just getting tired of dragons being so far worse, and how i feel like i beg to get changes for dragons when harmonious constantly get buffs and upgrades when they really didnt need them before hand. 


i do agree with mbchrono again though, dragons penalties are way to steep, coronoa and aspect and dragon breath are worthless,  the 3rd ae to the finisher chain is ncie dmg but again worthless for 90% of dmg situations.  Hp regen would be better if they scaled it to your max hp.  maybe 5% per 5 seconds. 

I wouldnt mind dragon having such harsh penalties if we had enough dps to kill the same mobs harmonious can take out 95% of the time, just much faster



i was under the impression that anything over 2 dots was un soloable now i know dk can solo god if he was in game thats a no brainer.

but seriously harm n drunk monks can solo 4 dot blues??..man my dragon monk is my main i played him full time to get where he's at sounds like other styles played there part time. and got there monks redy in half the time

now dont get me wrong you harm monks n drunk monks go for it man i have no beef with  urs styles at all i just made a wrong choice to what i belived would be the most fun for me to play   but im pretty much convinced  as far as apw my style of monk is a washout  .

there no way i can re roll another monk n get it rdy for the guild in a month to raid.

these forums has great info n peeps but there to damn depressing to me lol

Remaster before Jan 3rd (Thats when Randolph goes away) so its much easier.  You can switch in about an hour if you can fly.

Like I said though, why would anybody want a dragon monk in their group when they get can a str debuff, 2 damage debuffs,  melee haste debuff, and a mitigation debuff.  Not to mention if by some small chance a raid mob agros a harm monk he can dodge 100% for 20 seconds.  If a raid mob agros a dragon monk in storm stance, he is goin down in 1 - 2 hits. 

I tried to solo TWO 4 dots (level 56 and 57 in ich tunnels) today, and succeded with nerve strike.  I quickly dps the first guy while the second is stunned.  Use Celerity + Jin Surge + PeH and destroy the first one fast.  You should be able to take him down before the back guy is unstunned.  Then finish off the back guy with basic quivering palm/RitW.  Though I am a quali human I can also avoid all damage for 10 seconds..  Might not be able to solo 2 4dots 100% of the time. But it IS possible to do this.

Hi colleagues,

I've just re-subbed to VG and wondered about a few classic Dragon issues:

- Anything scheduled for Dragon's Breath?
- Will Sun Dragon's Corona ever be changed to just an innate fire + ice mitigation bonus - say 30%, plus perhaps a fire and ice DoT purge every few seconds, similar to the new Diamond Body?
- Will the horrendous penalty on Storm Dragon stance ever be reverted, much less abolished ?
- Would it be possible to add a fire resistance debuff to Feet of the Fire Dragon to allow us to increase our own DPS? Along those lines, how about an ice debuff added to the last step of the Divine line? Then we might be able to get a dmg bonus from the Dragon abilities called Secret of Fire and Ice...

I'd like to hear about this, if at all possible.