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« on: May 14, 2007, 05:09:46 PM »

 Quoted from a thread on Silky

"Monk/ Disciple (not sure if they belong here, only fought like 2 of them) and here's the rub: Give these guys real evasion - rogues should debuff the crud out of someone, automatically lowering their chances to hit and defend/monk however deserves the highest evasion rate in the game - and I'm not talking about some long timered buff - these guys should be able to evade tank single mobs like all get out - as if they have a shield and then some. Chain abilities should be based off of reactionary counters - evade chain should be amazing. Give them real techniques, real shaolin moves - atm they look silly and that sweep across right leg hook kick is just silly c'mon folks.: ""

  This was in response to a thread asking what each class needed, whether they or not were over or underpowered.  It was taking a look at each class and was oriented toward pvp.

  The more I thought about it, the more I think the poster hit the nail on the head.  But I would flesh it out a bit.  We train our entire lives to do 3 things, FD, DPS through quickness, and evade through quickness.  Nobody wants to give us the evasion we merit because it would take away from tanks.  (Ignoring them having our dps, hehe)  We don't have the armor to take hits from multiple mobs.  But if everything I do is based on quickness, speed, tactics and constant movement, I damn well ought to be able tank a SINGLE mob with the best of any class.  With no loss of dps.  I am watching his every muscle twitch.  I know what it is going to do before it even knows.

  I don't want our class to be godlike or be the class of the moment.  We would need huge penalties for fighting more than one mob.  No plate=no mitigation=dead.  Defense based on evasion means RNG stretches that no 3 healers could keep us alive.  I can deal with that.  But when I'm fighting one,  I should defend like crazy.

  What would this mean?  It means we can solo more like the rest of the classes.  It means that a slow and patient group with a monk as tank could handle damn challenging stuff because it MUST be one at a time.  There aren't many groups like that anymore.  It's kill, kill, kill, faster, faster, faster.  So most people still need a real tank.  It means we have a place in a group without being handed a bunch of utility crap that monks have no business supplying.  We're fighters dammit, not support personnel.

  I dunno,  it just seems like that's what a monk looks like to me.

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 09:12:06 PM »

/agreed
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 02:43:46 AM »

Monks were always about evasion. I do agree to some extent with the above post.
Wasn't this what the style decisions are there for?
One style for more evasion another for more dps and such?
Overall our evasion and our base dps should be higher for all monks - but that's what we have been saying for ages now.  Undecided
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