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« on: April 18, 2007, 08:55:18 AM »

Stuff I know is borked on live
  • Secrets of Flame III+
  • Secrets of Ice All versions
  • Secrets of Transcendance All versions
  • Wave hand in cloud Energy cost

Dragon Monks Please verify you have dragon sweeps it's tail to make sure you still have the ability
Drunk Monks please verify you have Errant Strikes

If you find anything else not on this list post it here.

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 09:14:38 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 09:19:18 AM »

Uh, what happend to AoE finishers being upgraded? They still do same damage.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 09:23:23 AM »

And really, the duration upgrade for Iron Hands is sad.
Take BM for example, with a symbiot (something which could be likened to the Jin cost) they can use a buff which is not only greater than Iron Hand (despite it's previous significan upgrade) - but lasts a full hour. It's a rather relevant comparsion because the two buffs do not stack.

- Secret of Celerity: Still global cooldown on it (which makes it 18 seconds duration as it only affects special attacks anyhow).
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 09:26:59 AM »

I never even use Secrets anymore, so I don't care that they're broken really.  Seriously at level 45, my secret of ice adds about 100 damage per hit and barely ever freezes the target.... why would I use that instead of Ashen Hand which usually hits for like 1500?  Or Jin Surge and Feet of the Fire Dragon?  I seriously just don't see a point in wasting jin on buffs that barely even add anything.  Does Iron Hand even give you better damage now or is it still bugged?
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 09:36:39 AM »

I never even use Secrets anymore, so I don't care that they're broken really.  Seriously at level 45, my secret of ice adds about 100 damage per hit and barely ever freezes the target.... why would I use that instead of Ashen Hand which usually hits for like 1500?  Or Jin Surge and Feet of the Fire Dragon?  I seriously just don't see a point in wasting jin on buffs that barely even add anything.

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 09:42:39 AM »

Dragon Sweeps Its Tail does not have an energy cost. Logged in to day to run a few tests and get a new series of skill screenshots before my subscription runs out, but I decided to wait until at least the Secrets work. Couple of things I did mess with:

  • Secrets borked, minus Celerity. How do you add an energy cost to the class that has no energy?
  • Palm Explodes the Heart chain is not worthy of a 5 minute refresh. damage goes around  700/800/3500.
  • Dragon Rakes Its Claw is 40 END now, but does melee + 200something, so it is OK. Still do not see the logic in how the skill is designed. In every other MMO, a cone attack always does more damage than a true AE if they are of the same level and power cost.
  • Dragon Breath is around 1k damage now. Better than before, but I don't know about a 10 minute timer.
  • Did not check the damage of the AE finishers in actual combat, but the tooltips did not make me go "WOW nice increase".
  • Ignore Pain does 1373 heal. About  a 25% heal, still 5 minute timer.
  • Stone Dragon icons finally match up.
  • Dragon Stance icon still stays when you switch out of it.

When Secrets get fixed I will run a series of tests to give a better analysis, and post a the revised screenies of a Dragon Monk's skills at 50.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 09:48:31 AM »

Keep at it, looks like some stuff was changed from test to live. I am kind of disapointed that the palm exploding the heart on test changed as it was a very nice chain (landed for about 8K for normal no crits) worthy of the 5 min cool down imo. I am getting reports that its only hitting for aout 6K with crits now *meh*

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 10:11:19 AM »

Errant Strikes still sucks and only hits 1 target, (my defensive targets, target.) but it does contain a 15min cooldown vs 1 hour.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 10:44:41 AM »

 tickedoff I am really ticked off..I mean wth? The damage changes to the dragon line are not even funny..I don't get it seriously..what are they afraid off? Every other class gets added damage to their already powerful damage spells/skills (look at BM etc)..I am slowly starting to get frustrated too..and I am normally a freaking patient person..
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 11:43:43 AM »

New bug I noticed.

When I'm changing stances, it resets some cooldowns.
I noticed it on Secret of Flames I and Ignore Pain II.

It's a pain when I want to switch to Dragon Stance to regen faster.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2007, 11:53:38 AM »

Are you F'ING kidding me!? How can they keep screwing this stuff up?? If you ADD a 5 freaking minute timer to a 50th only line that only does equal damage to a line ANYONE can just do over and over with NO timer, how can you even begain to consider that a useful change? Energy costs on secrets?? Unnoticable change to AoE damage? Is this a gd joke? I too am usually a patient person, but even a saint would be furious by now if they played a monk. All this broken stuff comes right after they destroy our most useful evasive ability too... awesome. Please tell me they are aware of the broken sh*t they pushed to the live servers at least...
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2007, 11:56:15 AM »

I still have Dragon sweeps its tail.

The rest is fracked up.  I use the secrets all the time, its an extra 200+ damage a hit...
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2007, 12:12:11 PM »

I'm usually the epitome of patience, but this just blew my socks off in a very, very sourly tasting manner.

Secrets having an energy cost: obviously copy-pasted from beta. Not only is the increase in duration a nerf - we can't chain use them anymore - now they simply can't be used at all. 100-120 damage added at level 30 is very measly - a buff that a healing class should get at level 20 IMO. Why give something like this to a melee class AND make it cost a unique, player built resource?

Dragon Rakes its Claw is now a measly 80 damage more. How the HELL does that justify an increase in Endurance? It should have been at that damage and more to begin with !
Dragon disciple AE moves: why do they have a reuse timer at all? Their damage is less than what a BMG, sorcerer and whoever else may have AE's can do.
Dragon Sweeps Its Tail... why does a reactive move have a reuse timer at all? For one, it's not overpowered as it is. Second, you need to have parried, which means you need to have been hit several times before it goes off.

I'm starting to get the feeling that fixing the Monk class is like building a house on quicksand. I'm gonna give this game 2 more weeks, and if nothing gets seriously overhauled about the Monk class, I'm quitting.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2007, 12:33:18 PM »

Silent nerf to Iron Hand as well, with the increased duration. Top rank was 74 damage..is now reduced back to its original 59. Plz sir, may I have some more?
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