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Fusoya
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« on: April 13, 2007, 10:32:18 AM »
Give us a dispell....light fighters are currently the only set that does not have a class with dispell available to them.
Healers - Blood Mage
Arcane - Sorc
Heavy Fighter - DK
Light Fighter - <insert monk here>

Despite any amount of DPS given to us, unless we have a dispell to get rid of some of the insanely overpowered mob mitigation / avoidance buffs its not going to do much good. Especially considering how atleast 60% of all humanoids post 40 have 1 of the 2 available, if not both.

Who wants monks in their groups? Give us a dispell to keep the group DPS where it's supposed to be and I can see the monk love improving quite a bit.

As long as the level check on the dispell is high enough...I'd even be happy with it being attached to the new Exploding Heart Technique. Expose the heart removing additional beneficial spells that may have been protecting it. They are removing our off-tanking ability, reducing our pulling ability (yet again), survivability, and giving us roughly a  5% increase to our average DPS as compensation...Give us some utility or stop the nerfs.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 10:46:49 AM »


Healers - Shaman ( Bear )
Light Fighter - Bards

We dont need any new utility. Just dont $*#@*$@ with our current skills. RITW *cough*
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 11:22:58 AM »
All I want is a good snare for PVP and I'll be happy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 04:09:23 PM »
I love this idea actually, dispels are HUGE in any mmo.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 08:23:51 PM »
Erm... ALL offensive casters have a dispell... druid and necro I've played, PSI and SOR I've heard. We HAVE a form of dispell... Pushing Hands, which can dispell the stance the mob is in. We also get the 8 sec DPS debuff as a reactive. Forgot the name.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2007, 09:54:55 AM »
Huge difference between counterspell and dispell.....Dispell removes a buff, counterspell disperses a spell being cast.

They took out our unique ability to push mobs out of stances, which only 0.05% of the mob population does, by giving it to rangers as well.

Bard dispell doesnt really count as its very low lvl based dispell with a 30 second refresh. After lvl 40 its almost worthless.

I don't even know if i'd consider this utility...its a nessecity to be considered the masters of dps. Need our dmg to not be reduced by 60% every mob.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2007, 10:23:18 AM »
Bard dispel works fine at 50. Esp on the nasty mitigation buff. You are right about the recast tho.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2007, 01:07:49 PM »
As a Dragon Monk I don't see the use of any utility.

They way I see, us is as top DPS in long fights, and offensive casters at top dps in short fights.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2007, 08:14:08 PM »
You dont see the use in removing a buff from a mob that reduces your damage by 60%? Interesting =p
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2007, 06:33:23 PM »
Quote from: Fusoya on April 14, 2007, 09:54:55 AM
Huge difference between counterspell and dispell.....Dispell removes a buff, counterspell disperses a spell being cast.
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They took out our unique ability to push mobs out of stances, which only 0.05% of the mob population does, by giving it to rangers as well.
Only 0.05% of mobs goes into stances, or .05% pushes out of stances? I don't know myself, that's why I'm asking.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 11:40:02 AM »
Quote from: Fusoya on April 14, 2007, 09:54:55 AM
Huge difference between counterspell and dispell.....Dispell removes a buff, counterspell disperses a spell being cast.

They took out our unique ability to push mobs out of stances, which only 0.05% of the mob population does, by giving it to rangers as well.

Bard dispell doesnt really count as its very low lvl based dispell with a 30 second refresh. After lvl 40 its almost worthless.

I don't even know if i'd consider this utility...its a nessecity to be considered the masters of dps. Need our dmg to not be reduced by 60% every mob.


Even before Rangers got Cripple tweaked it wasn't a monk only skill because disciples had Stance Wheel to push mobs out of stances too.  Also, bards get an updated dispell at 48 to take down greater enchantments and with Coda of Alacrity and a Psion's Temporal Acceleration the 20 second recast time can be cut down to 12 seconds.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 01:49:31 PM »
Bards claiming to get about 1 successful dispell per minute, and considering the mob can instantly recast still not convinced they are effective dispellers. Was told it was 30s recast, 18 or so with max refresh haste (45% cap). Have seen their dispell be ignored by mobs with 2 bards spamming it entire fights aside from 5-10% of mobs total hp between mob recasts.

Was refering to just light fighters regarding stance pushes, as most groups wont pick a disc over a monk for a group slot when they need DPS, whereas they might pick a ranger over a monk. But you are correct in that disc's have the skill as well.

I'd be fine with an increase to bard dispell power, or giving monks a dispell. More classes are in need of dispell considering how big of an impact it has on a fight. This was just an idea to help out monk DPS and provide us with something a group might be interested in, without completely redefining the class.
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