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« on: April 11, 2007, 12:25:25 PM »
The HP regen (still as slight as it is, not complaining it's still something) was transfered over to Stone Dragon (Perhaps making the stance a little more than useless) and Dragon Stance be replaced with something else? I still feel like we could somehow receive an AoE stance which would apply perhaps something like 30% crit on our AoEs along with something else.

I don't know, I feel like conceptually we SHOULD have an AoE stance and I think making that the "Dragon Stance" would make a lot of sense. It also makes sense to me that "Stone Dragon" has a regen component, especially because I still would hardly use it after the patch even.

Just my thoughts, take for what you will.
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 12:28:13 PM »
Harm monks get tiger stance for regular attacks, I don't really think it'd be too overpowering for us to have somewhat of an AoE Tiger Stance, which is what I was implying.

Only since we're dealing with situational (aoe) damage and the fact that we're supposed to be melee AoE kings, the bonuses from the stance should be larger than Tiger Stance.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 12:39:02 PM »
Actually here's one idea:

Dragon Stance:  Increases AoE Damage by 10%
                           Increases AoE Crit Chance by 30%
                           On successful crit, adds 1 extra Jin
                          Decreases single target damage by 50%
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 01:22:22 PM »
We do not need an AE stance. If our Storm stance and Secrets worked with AE attacks, and if our AE attacks either did substantially more damage or cost substantially less END, we would be melee AE kings. But right now our AE finisher chain does less damage than the Ranger one (forget the name, but it made me sad grouping with my Ranger buddy and hearing him say on vent what his AE finisher was hitting and critting for). I do not know how it compares to other classes AE finishers...but the Divine Typhoon/Avalanche/Tsunami chain is utter SNARF. Then again so are our other AE abilities.

Here is a list of our AE attacks:

Divine finisher chain
  • (1) Divine Typhoon 4 = melee damage + 492 (10 END, 2 min refresh)
  • (2) Divine Avalanche 3 = melee damage + 516 (10 END, 2 min refresh)
  • (3) Divine Tsunami 1 = melee damage + 515 (10 END, 2 min refresh)

END using AEs
  • Whirling Storm 5 = melee + 143 (34 END)
  • Dragon Rakes Its Claw 3 = melee + 136, frontal only (34 END)

Jin using AE
  • Dragon Breath 1 = 357 - 389 dmg, frontal only (8 Jin, 10 min refresh)

Abilities in italics are unique to Dragon AFAIK

SO we have a 3 part AE chain, a normal AE, and 2 frontal AE attacks. Refresh times severely restrict our supposed AE kingship. Low damage hurts this even more. Then the steep costs (for such little damage) sticks the knife in the chest. I do not think a stance devoted to AEs would help this at all. Fix the AEs, the new stances should be fine.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 03:23:25 PM »
The idea by having continuations on finisher lines pending on style is good in theory, bad in implantation. Drunk/harmonious have a nice advantage (drunk by thousand being the superior finisher line, harmonious by having no reuse) while dragon is quite behind as the aoe is a joke to start with and the 2 minute reuse on it dosen't make it more useable. ~
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 11:27:22 PM »
One can only hope that this stuff will get looked at next.  I am really happy with the current changes and am looking forward to the upcoming fixes.  I mean, they HAVE to fix this stuff... right?
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 12:30:22 AM »
I agree with Chunli on the topic of AEs, and to the OP: regen wasn't added to Stone Dragon, it was added (as it should have been) to Dragon Stance - our "neutral" one.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 04:34:21 PM »
Quote from: Khana Kopnisien on April 12, 2007, 12:30:22 AM
I agree with Chunli on the topic of AEs, and to the OP: regen wasn't added to Stone Dragon, it was added (as it should have been) to Dragon Stance - our "neutral" one.

Read the title along with their statement; they want a change so regen is on stone dragon, leaving neutral dragon to be a new effect altogether =P
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 04:40:20 PM »
The thing is, as I stated: fix our AEs and we do not need to change the stances. Regen for Dragon is fine, it is actually decent for down time when soloing or FD training through places. Dragon is also fine now, sans a few stacking issues with Iron Hands and the fact that nothing procs on multiple targets in an AE attack. Our AEs are utter garbage (in addition to the other stuff I mention in my thread about Dragon Issues). Giving us a stance to boost the garbage will only give us slightly better garbage. It is like an analogy I used when I was in the Army:

Spit shine a turd as much as you want, it will still be a turd.

Which is all making an AE stance would be doing.
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