Jojo,

If you are tanking you'll prolly want to go with Drunken Mastery as it has evasion, hate and refresh haste that does stacks with Aum Kor.

If you are going all out DPS then you'll be going Drunken Fist.

If you are soloing or going all out defensive you may want to consider Drunken Sway

Remember nothing has hit live yet. So if something overwhelmingly broke or it just doesnt work like we thought it would we can derail the train before it gets started. The goal is make the style stances worth while and force a monk to choose a stance because of the situation they are curently in and not because the other 2 suck

~QTM

I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong perspective! 

The offensive stance that had thate hate taken away, now you can do damage without pulling aggro!  HUZZAH!  I will defaintely be switching to drunken stance if these stances hit live.

Your defensive stance (sway) now adds hate + the parry and dodge like QTM said, so now you can hold aggro AND have the bonus defense, whats not to love?!  now you CAN tank and hold aggro very well!  this is how it should have been from the start 

The drunken mastery (which i had confused with sway earlier) i dont know why it has the hate?  perhaps it is also a plausible defensive stance and will be great for aggro holding since you can get your taunts back faster also.

This is a fantastic overhaul for drunken stances and im not sure it could be done any better than this.  This is about where the drunken stances shoudl be.  Im still nto sure of the numbers yet for each thing, but the abilities put to each stance seem right and seem like they fit where they should. and that damage shield cracks me up, drunken slap, LOL!

Harm stances: I didn't think Jin stance needed to gain jin faster but hey, i not complaining, its a buff!
I'm beginning to see how tiger stance can easily be overpowered, perhaps the crit chance SHOULD be pulled down so the style is not in such close competition with dragon for highest DPS style.  The tooltips were bugged on the harm defensive?  lol i never knew that, craziness!  i think at 8%ish they are probably ok then, long as drunken is hitting about 15-20% at the same lvl.

Dragon stance storm stance gives it "much" more offensive power?  That line kinda makes me a bit nervous, not sure how its gonna turn out, hehe.
The regen works?  Now dragons FDed should survive dots, hehe
Defensive style not changed much, thats cool, if you're dragon monk you will probably never touch this stance anyway, lol.

All in all an AWESOME list of info, i hope it goes live, and this is exactly what our community needed to get some optimism and faith back in the devs.  I for one am extremely pleased!!!   

You are saying I'd be going drunken mastery because it has.....5% evasion? Refresh haste is cool and all but that will take .8 seconds off of Crescent Kick. 6 seconds off of 1 minute finishers and 12 seconds off of 2 minute finishers (of which we should have NONE imo since casters/healers were all moved to 1 minute but ours havent). 3 seconds off of the 30 recast ae rescue, and 3 Minutes off of Drunken's _superduperspecial_ 30 minute reuse, 15 seconds lasting dodge (melee only dodge btw). Forgive me if I am not thrilled, Aum Kor does what, 25%? .8 seconds to 3 minutes here and there does not a stance fix    At least the 20% damage in Drunken Fist's old form made me feel like I was doing ok damage.


I get it for soloing, damage shield and some evasion. But what's the point of going defensive _in a group_ if you can't keep aggro too?

So you're saying spamming jeering kick for 200 damage a pop to keep aggro, while in an defensive stance is balanced to say.....Dreadknights? 

HERE HERE! 

Heavy fighters are already complaining that monks can tank better then them. I dont see how not sacrficing all of our dps could be considered balanced. Seems like tanking monk with full dps would be a bit of god-mode imo. I think the loss of all dps but allowing us to take the role of a tank is a good trade off.

Heh, I swear Fusoya is playing a different game than the rest of us.  I play regularly with a DK that's my level and similarly equiped.  Well, she has the pantheon great sword and there wasn't a monk item there until tomorow so I"m using Zank.  Anway, she can tank even con 3 dots without breaking a sweat and end up at full hp's at the end of the fight.  She also does just as much if not more damage than I.  I can tank green 3 dots if I'm at full jin, get my secrets running and hope to got I get some crits.  There were some quests with some higher level 3 dots that I could never have hoped to kill and she plowed through them one right after the other.

We are outdamaged by DK's, Warriors and now paladins with their uber broken skill.  Plus Paladins can lull and tank forever.  All the defensive classes mitigate/evade far better than we do and since it's mitigation mostly you don't see the huge spikes in damage like you do when we get tagged.

I'm truly not usually this negative, I've played many MMO's for years and never had a problem with my class until now.  Monks are severely hamstrung and need to be fixed yesterday.  We keep seeing updates to classes that are far better off than we are yet we get one or 2 minor tweaks when we need some major changes is sort of a slap in the face.

The fact that feign has been broken this long without a peep from the devs is asinine.  Our dps is still woefully inadequate, that slight bump to our dots was a joke so we are still just barely above bards and well behind rogues and rangers, never mind we are behind defensive fighters and casters with a lot more utility than us as well.

Congratulations on your rose colored glasses.  I on the other hand don't have the patience anymore.  There are too many competing MMO's with much better parity between classes.  And I don't mean everyone should be able to solo the same but everyclass should be balanced in effectiveness in a group and solo setting.  If you're a strong soloer, you should maybe not be as great in a group while classes that don't solo as well should definately bring more to a group setting to make up for this.  As it stands now monks do not solo well nor do they bring as much to a group as rogues, rangers or bards in the off fighter group and many other classes would be wanted before them as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Dena

Ummmm... that's the point. Drunken monks chose their stance so they could off-tank but knew it came at a price (lost DPS). This is not the case... we are no off-tank. It almost seems like they are tweaking monks to be generally the same (but going about it in different ways for each stance).

The "it's only on test and can be tweak before it hits live" is a pipe dream. We all know, 99% of what appears on test will make it to live. This is proved yet again with today's patch. So "derailing the train" is pretty much impossible once stuff hits test.

I feel like I'm being strung along by everyone associated with Sigil. "Here's the carrot, go grab it!" Then when we miss, it's like, "HAHA sucker.. got you again!"