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Fusoya
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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2007, 11:41:46 PM »
Body pulling is proximity aggro, yes.

You cannot split 2 or 3 mobs with 2 or 3 mobs, as they are considered a 'set' of mobs. You need to change the 'set' in order to pull a single. Playing with that configuration you can learn which mob you will pull out of the set, which one you want to pull.
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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2007, 02:55:47 AM »
You just proved my point.  So you need to find 4 mobs so you can use the lame 'one mob stays camping your corpse while the other 3 sprint back' technique.  Well I hate to tell ya, but this isn't split pulling.  There are times when the 2 and 3 mobs are not 'linked' and in that case we should be able to split them, just like we were able to do pre ghosting patch.

You also proved that lulling is in fact better.  You can lull 1 or 2 of the 2 or 3 mobs and bring just one everytime.  You just need a cleric, druid, paladin, psi or bard.  Which shows how in most cases they are better pullers.

This is sorta what I figured from the start of your posts.  No disrepect but people though you had some magical way to split those 2 or 3.  Shows you're just as hamstrung as the rest of us.


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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2007, 07:20:48 AM »
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First of all, i'd like to thank Dalrock for his very informative and helpful post, thanks mate!  Wink

Secondly, why are you guys abusing Fusoya?  he/she is a 50 drunken monk and i believe deserves a little more respect than the way you guys are acting.  Fusoya doesn't have to log in and post anything or her experiences and has even told me of reservations because of flamer tendency.  I would ask some of you to be a bit more civil and perhaps pay a little more attention to some of the other posts.

I could be wrong but i believe Dalrock has discovered these uber leet skills that you speak of, and im sure there are others.  I just think that you should be a little more respectful to your fellow monks who are NOT your enemy here.  None of us have enemies, just over worked devs trying to get everything fixed.

I for one applaud Fusoya for not sharing the uber leet skills and forcing monks to sit down and think (which is kind of a good perspective for the monk class wouldn't you agree) instead of just blurting out the technique.  If you do not have the patience to actually try to learn different styles and techniques then i hardly can see placing the blame on Fusoya as the next logical step. 

Thanks for your patience and understanding, take some deep breaths if you get frustrated or angry and calm down.



It's not what he/she posts it how its posted..it comes off as arrogant and cocky .  Its also wrong to say that it works fine because you found a work around for something when indeed it does not.  I can pull singles too thats not the point, the point is that its not working like its suppose to.  It has been stated by developers that it is not and it has been stated how it is suppose to work.

For someone to come in here and say that we are all wrong and it works fine is cocky and arrogant. I still stand by what I say...Its not working as intended...it needs to be fixed...and I am tired of hearing otherwise because some uber leet level 50 found a way to work around it.  I have found many ways around it...they all involve exploits....yes pulling 4 mobs so that one camps you is indeed an exploit.  It is no different then getting a mob stuck on something.  You are abusing mechanics to make them work to your advantage in an unintended way.
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2007, 08:11:17 AM »
Quote from: Soluss on April 11, 2007, 07:20:48 AM

It's not what he/she posts it how its posted..it comes off as arrogant and cocky .  Its also wrong to say that it works fine because you found a work around for something when indeed it does not.  I can pull singles too thats not the point, the point is that its not working like its suppose to.  It has been stated by developers that it is not and it has been stated how it is suppose to work.

For someone to come in here and say that we are all wrong and it works fine is cocky and arrogant. I still stand by what I say...Its not working as intended...it needs to be fixed...and I am tired of hearing otherwise because some uber leet level 50 found a way to work around it.  I have found many ways around it...they all involve exploits....yes pulling 4 mobs so that one camps you is indeed an exploit.  It is no different then getting a mob stuck on something.  You are abusing mechanics to make them work to your advantage in an unintended way.

The world has gone crazy because I finally agree with Soluss!
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2007, 01:34:28 PM »
Lol, im not totally out of my mind you know...just a little flaky
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2007, 02:00:12 PM »
Quote from: jojo on April 11, 2007, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Soluss on April 11, 2007, 01:34:28 PM
Lol, im not totally out of my mind you know...just a little flaky
The world has gone crazy because I finally agree with Soluss!

Got a good chuckle out of that...heheh.   Grin
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2007, 02:32:42 PM »
it has nothing to do with 4....it has to do with sets of mobs. only reason 4 has become a # everyone likes is most sets are 2 or 3....making the # 4 or 5. believe what you will, point to a mob and tell me to pull, ill pull it. take it how you want. you can also pull a mob through a pack of 20 others and get him single. you are looking too lightly at what i am saying. wont argue with you, just letting you know you are missing my point and my tactic on pulling.

you dont want my system to work, therefore you generalize it....thats up to you, if you want to learn how to pull, practice, if you want to flame me, ill get the lighter fluid. ive received a handful of in-game tells from monks who have found my tips useful, so could care less about the flames. im helping the people who deserve it, not the ones who have nothing better to do but bash everything posted.

i dont understand how you see my posts as being cocky....ive not once stated i am better then any other monk in the game, nor were those my intentions.
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2007, 03:44:05 PM »
Please!  Enlighten us then!   If I have say 3 socially agro mobs in a group in front of me and I want to pull a single out of there without getting beat on tell me how to do it.
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Fusoya
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2007, 06:29:03 PM »
distance between mobs? what type of mobs (human, beast, undead, etc.)? lvl in comparisson to yourself? log on my server, id be more then happy to show you sometime when im free....
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2007, 05:57:10 AM »
3 human mobs standing around a campfire . you have no luller, you have no roamers nothing its just you and those 3 mobs and you only  want one.
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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2007, 06:00:07 AM »
Quote from: Fusoya on April 11, 2007, 02:32:42 PM
it has nothing to do with 4....it has to do with sets of mobs. only reason 4 has become a # everyone likes is most sets are 2 or 3....making the # 4 or 5. believe what you will, point to a mob and tell me to pull, ill pull it. take it how you want. you can also pull a mob through a pack of 20 others and get him single. you are looking too lightly at what i am saying. wont argue with you, just letting you know you are missing my point and my tactic on pulling.

you dont want my system to work, therefore you generalize it....thats up to you, if you want to learn how to pull, practice, if you want to flame me, ill get the lighter fluid. ive received a handful of in-game tells from monks who have found my tips useful, so could care less about the flames. im helping the people who deserve it, not the ones who have nothing better to do but bash everything posted.

i dont understand how you see my posts as being cocky....ive not once stated i am better then any other monk in the game, nor were those my intentions.

You make it sound as if all I do is flame people.  You dont have to state you are the best monk in game to come off as cocky and arrogant.  I believe on this site, out of everyone that posts,  you are only the 3rd monk I have flamed and 1 of those people I now get along with.
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Fusoya
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2007, 07:23:23 AM »
Not saying all you do is flame, or that you dont like me, cuz i know deep down you remember  those long walks on the beach with the wind at our backs... Just regarding this topic. I've witnessed you love/hate people based on a 5 min rotation.  I could care less, but that shouldnt mean i cant poke fun at the fact when its aimed at me. I actually think its a fairly good quality to be able to hate someone for an idea, and then be able to switch over and give them a pat on the back the next day.

As a monk...i cant solo an even con 3 dot, grey 2 dots give me trouble...I'm definately not in some crazy /win monk mode. I deal with the same problems you guys do. I can have 84% evasion (which means i sit there dodge/parrying, not doing dmg to the mob), or i hit him really hard once a minute and kinda just wonder how to deal with the rest of his hp. Regardless of these facts, our class is still broken. i was just messing with ya about bringing them up, perhaps a bad choice, but was all in good fun in my head atleast ><
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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2007, 08:16:01 AM »
In regards to the campfire scenario. mobs labeled A, B, C, campfire X, Monk = M     
compass N(up), S(down), E(right), W(left)

                 A    X    C
                        B

For a set of 3, you want to body (proximity) pull mob C from behind  SouthEast. (use ritw, parry sword and drunken stagger to avoid dmg, speed buffs + soaring leap can cut out some swings also)
-After mob C aggroes (a and b will aggro after), run west until you are past mob A's spawn point
-After you are west, you need to go atleast 7-10meters north before feigning (this is to estimate time after pull, not distance dont soaring leap 10m away and fd isntantly, you need to give the mobs a sec or two to move around.

So it will look kinda like this...(excuse my horrid artwork)

                     AX 
                         B   C M

Then
                     X
                   M AB  C

Then

            M
                  ACB
                            X

At this point feign, and you should have a single.
If this does not work, try it from a flipped point of view, go from west to east etc.
Hope this helps clarity a little bit, test it out lemme know how it goes.
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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2007, 08:52:28 PM »
Interesting but...anytime I try a scenario with feign I end up with mobs instantly running back to spawn point. For the record, I don't hate you...there have only been 2 people I cannot totally stand and I would not even say that I hate them...they are both rangers.
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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2007, 11:09:11 PM »
That's interesting i guess, but i don't see why it should work.  Doesn't make much sense to my why running a mob past another mobs spawn point and not getting too far and then FDing should pull a single?  Very odd.
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