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Ronmaru
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« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2008, 10:06:40 AM »

Anyone that plays harmo style and claims that they suck solo only feels so because the monk is not a strong solo class at its core compared to some other classes.

But between styles harmo monk is easily the most effective soloer.  Their debuffs effectively make them the most efficient tank and their dps is very consistant and reliable.

If you are having a hard time soloing as a harmo monk, there is a 90% chance you'll have a more difficult time as one of the other styles.
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« Reply #61 on: March 15, 2008, 06:28:41 PM »

one issue with harmonious monk is you actually LOSE dps by going into offensive stance while solo.
This is just rediculous, especially noticeable before Aum Ti at lvl 40
....some "offensive" stance.... :/
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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2008, 03:04:01 AM »

yeah...the harmo offensive stance is a bit unbalanced...that's been mentioned in multiple threads at this point.  Wink
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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2008, 12:55:09 PM »

Hi all, just registered here, though I've been lurking for a few weeks.  I've been playing non-stop since open beta, have 2 level 50's (Necro & Rogue) plus several more who are coming along.  Compared to my other classes, here's some thing I've observed about the Harmonious Monk (most of these are in comparison to my Rogue)

1) They are extremely survivable!!! Compared to my Rogue, soloing a Harmo Monk is a piece of cake.  It doesn't touch my necro, but its easier than either of my Tanks, and far superior to my Rogue.  Mid-levels, I'm succesfully taking down 3-dots that are 5 level above my own.  That's unheard of on a Rogue, and damn hard on either of my tanks.  Could probably do it on my Disciple, but it would be a long fight.

2) Offensive stance on a Harmo monk is pretty much useless except in a group.  Solo, I do Far FAR better in Crane Stance.

3) Aggro control abilities on the Monk are way below what my Rogue has to offer.  The refreshes alone make them poor to useless.  Couple that with the fact that they are apparently bugged, and you have serious problems.

4) Harmo Monk Debuffs are GREAT!  Better than my DK that's for sure.

All in all, its a good class that only needs a couple tweaks (especially to aggro management and the offensive stance).
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2008, 05:56:19 PM »

Hi alacritus, nice to meet you.

a few things i am wondering...by aggro control abilites do you mean Feign Death, or Goading Slap?
Feign Death is bugged in various circumstances but on the whole is the best de-taunt in game. Rogue has some nice de-taunts too but i certainly wouldn't trade off a -100%hate from Feign Death for them. And it has no cooldown except global....please ellaborate on what you mean.

And also, yeh the debuffs are really good, every raid force certainly needs 1 harmonious monk. Not sure if they are better than DKs though - it's a close one.
DK gets what -60str/dex/wis/int
 and then from the Dreadful countenance, +15% crit vulnerability, -200 spriitual resist -10% dmg...or something along those lines?
Harmo monk has -115str, -150dmg, -10% dmg, -15% mit
(by the way i think the mit debuffs stack with previous ranks
i tried on a 3dot with my martial sword + auto-attack, normal hits were 600,
Eagle claw IV - hits about 750
Eagle Claw IV & III - Hits about 820
Eagle Claw IV & III & II - Hits about 900
didn't see any increase with the 4th though..i assume the mob was 0% mit by then??
anyway try it yourself if you doubt me  Smiley )
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