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Quinn the Mighty
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« on: March 28, 2007, 08:11:01 AM »

Here is a brief IM snippet regarding fixes;

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Any word on the stance document I sent over or an update on the bug / issues list? 
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oh and of course fix FD and more DPS =D,
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Your bug list will get hit soon.  they are going through them class by class as we speak
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Stance issues will need to wait til at least nextweek, since that is me.

Our fixes are coming soon. I am trying to get details on what exactly is going in to said fixes. I'll update this thread with the details as I get them. I am doing my monk-centric civic duty to make sure we get our much needed love. I shall do my best to get a Talisker / Avair sighting to boot. (No promises but, I am really trying to get some devs to pop in. This way you can see it's not all a delusion in my mind  uglystupid2)

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 08:35:54 AM »

It really does help to give us these little snippets of hope.  Looking forward to hearing some (hopefully big) changes.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 08:58:50 AM »

Quinn buddy, you've done a great job as the voice of the monk community and we all appreciate it greatly.

The development team has clearly failed in their communications and progress with us to this point (whatever the reasons may be), and that has nothing to do with your efforts.  That's not to say that they can't make things right, and I sincerely hope they'll make that effort - not just in our class balance, but also in  their relations with this eager and engaged community.

Thanks for relaying this.

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2007, 09:14:35 AM »

Quinn buddy, you've done a great job as the voice of the monk community and we all appreciate it greatly.

The development team has clearly failed in their communications and progress with us to this point (whatever the reasons may be), and that has nothing to do with your efforts.  That's not to say that they can't make things right, and I sincerely hope they'll make that effort - not just in our class balance, but also in  their relations with this eager and engaged community.

Thanks for relaying this.

QFT. Thank you for making the effort in relaying this and other info to us, it is very appreciated. ^^

Hopefully we will see some changes/fixes/improvements or whatever over the next couple weeks..fingers crossed!  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2007, 09:35:57 AM »

The development team has clearly failed in their communications and progress with us to this point (whatever the reasons may be), and that has nothing to do with your efforts.  That's not to say that they can't make things right, and I sincerely hope they'll make that effort - not just in our class balance, but also in  their relations with this eager and engaged community.

Personally, I don't lay too much blame on the devs for failing to communicate with the player base as well as needed. Communication is absolutely vital in a successful MMO but at the same time, time spent communicating also means time away from fixing issues and addressing problems. I'm certain guys like Talisker, Nino, and Cylus are working their butts off to improve the game as best as they can but they're handed their assignments from above and there are just only so many hours a day.

Sigil has clearly lacked in some key areas regarding this game, namely project management, resource management, helpdesk support and advertising among others. At the end of the day, the blame fundamentally falls on Brad for that.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 10:37:06 AM »

Not to be a negative nancy, and certainly not trying to shoot the messenger, but...We have heard this before. Think you can get Talisker to take some time and make a post here himself? I would like to see him make a thread, or respond to one of ours, acknowledging bugs and concerns.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 11:43:34 AM »

QTM reminded me that I am a slacker and have not been visiting as much as I should.  Apologies.  My team is working hard on numerous things and we are spread thin.  As some of you have noticed, the Paladin just got some much needed love and after finishing that I have moved on to getting the AA system planned out.  The other members of my team (Avair and Assaylant) are pouring through all the class bugs we can find and fixing bugs.  This is not a pass to address your concerns, which will come very soon.  Our primary goal is to get everything working properly and we need to spread the love across all 15 classes.

I speak with QTM daily.  He and I have a great repoire (hes a great guy, so it wasn't hard) and I trust his judgment.  He keeps me informed and pesters me about fixes.  If you are unhappy about the traction you have recieved with your concerns, you should lay the blame at my feet, as he is doing his job well.  (His job btw way is to filter your feedback to me. Bugs and concerns raised both on this forum as well as in his own play.  I simply don't have time to go through 1/2 the threads and get valuable feedback.)

As I told him about 10 minutes ago, we are going to be going through the list of concerns for you class and the other classes and examining them.  Some things are easily fixed.  Others will require more time and code.  I will keep QTM informed and he will pass the information along to you.  I will also try to pop in more often, but it can be hard to break stride on an involved task and post.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 11:47:41 AM »

See i r not crazy!!!  uglystupid2

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 11:56:56 AM »

Cool. Maybe we can get a Harmonious and a Drunken to post what they feel as bugs with their styles and post about it. Then have Talisker (or one of his aides) post in said threads. I really feel my thread speaks for all the Dragon Monks, and if replys are made with other stuff I may have missed, then I will add it to the original post.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 12:00:10 PM »

thanks for stopping by talisker, and thanks for all the hard work you and your team are doing. (also thanks quinn for catching him =P)




perhaps once a week you could pop in and say hi, possibly give us mini updates if it doesnt disclose too much?

your post here will go a long way to settling some of the doomsayers and shed a little hope for us  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2007, 01:48:23 PM »

Thanks for stopping by, Talisker.  When you have time, can you post Sigil's vision for the monk class as a whole  please?  Are we destined to do 2nd rate DPS while having sub-sub-par utilities in our chosen styles?  The monk community has been plagued by the lack of clear, definate "vision" and we argue amongst ourselves on what a monk should or should not be.  A simple statement is all that's needed for us to cease arguing each other and work together toward Sigil's vision.  Thank you.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2007, 03:01:08 PM »

Not to be overly negative but that post didnt particularly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling...."we need to spread the love" and "you're included in the review of all classes bugs". I mean I understand they cant focus fully on us but seeing as how we are rather broken not just a little buggy I would have liked to see a little more of a focused "we're definitely working on your class next" or something to that effect. That post just made me a little more disheartened that Sigil just doesnt think we are in line for that much of an overhaul...that we just need your avg bug fixes...

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2007, 03:03:50 PM »


I agree with Ninbei's post. Time permitting, Talisker, I think a post detailing exactly how you guys view the monk class as a whole and where we're supposed to be in relation to other classes would simultaneously both dissolve a lot of speculation as well as provide all of us with ample opportunity to provide feedback geared towards your expectations from this class.

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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2007, 03:12:23 PM »

.  I simply don't have time to go through 1/2 the threads and get valuable feedback.


Absolutely no offense meant here, but Talisker shouldn't that be part of your job? If you are part of the development team for the Monk class, shouldn't you be reviewing the mass of data that our dedicated monks have provided primarily aimed so you all at Sigil could make accurate corrections and balances based off factual data from experienced members of the class community? I understand it is Quinn's job to relay information to you, but once in a while reading through some of the topics where constructive debates and ideas are being floated up in the air could go a long way toward improving our class and really any class who has a developer reading a class specific forum as a source of information. I just would like to think that once in a while you do take the time to skim through these topics, because we have a lot of intelligent and dedicated players here all looking to help contribute to possible changes. In conjunction with my other post, I think this is truly how to make a bond between developer and player where everyone walks away happy and the proper changes are made.

Just my two cents, and thank you again for even posting to show us all that you are here and aware of our concerns.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 03:12:36 PM »

Paladins, much needed love?  They're practically the best class in the game!  Good defense, heals, a broken spell that does 2000+ damage instantly, I'd say they don't need much love.  Come on, every patch note we read all the most popular classes that are already the most fixed and polished get more buffs and polish, while us Monks at the bottom of the totem pole continue to be ignored.  It's clearly a huge deal when most of the time there are only 5-10 Monks on that are past level 30, yet there are 10+ level 50 Rangers and Clerics running around.  Nobody is going to start a Monk, and all the current Monks are going to quit soon if something drastic doesn't happen =/
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