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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2007, 04:03:48 PM »

oh bugger  Cry
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2007, 04:31:36 PM »

Eh, someone else can maintain the list. Uninstalled VG today, and do not plan on renewing. Maybe I will see some of you all in Age of Conan or Warhammer Online. Best of luck, and I hope they fix the class in addition to the game.

Maybe this is a sign to all of us  Sad

One of the most respected monk activists is fed up, maybe we should all throw in the towel on our monks until something ACTUALLY happens for us....
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2007, 04:51:58 PM »

it really comes down to how much you're actually enjoying playing your broken monk. I understand why anybody would leave the monk class, since it's broken in so many different ways it's almost stressful. I've always played a monk in every MMO, and I dont intend on giving up in vanguard either despite the fact our class is quite far from perfect . I will bring my monk to 50 and try to enjoy it, but im also re-rolling other classes to find a more stable class that might keep my attention. I wont give up on my monk, though. Monks are always under-dogs, it makes it interesting.

"Whow, the MONK pulled aggro!!?!? WTF??"

or the best was my convesration with a cleric the other day after we parted a great party...

sybrant: "It's always good to group with a good cleric, ill look you up if I ever need a healer which is basically always Wink"

cleric: "it's always good to group with a good monk, i'll look you up if i ever need a monk which is basically never Wink"


It's sad, though, that the changes required to make our class balanced are so simple and logical, yet our class continues to suffer as it levels....unlike other classes that get stronger, we just get newer, weaker, redundant skills....
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2007, 04:54:34 PM »

^ yeah I really don't get that..every class and their mom gets increases in already high damage..

I am slowly starting to not see any reasons to play dragon style.
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2007, 04:59:23 PM »

^ yeah I really don't get that..every class and their mom gets increases in already high damage..

I am slowly starting to not see any reasons to play dragon style.

Yeah, I'm not going to switch though just yet. I'm too affraid of what sigil might have in mind for monks upcomming. I want them to finish "playing" with the class before I do anything drastic.

although, it would be nice to spam ashen with harmonious
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 09:30:31 AM »

I've see it on the drunken / harmi versions too, when I looked through the combat spam. I found I missed with the attack. I know it's a bit late but next time you see it double check for misses.

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Sorry, but in countless roleplaying systems a crit means you can't miss. Is this not the case in VG? Secondly, seems like an always critting, always finisher opening ability that costs 5 Jin and has a reuse of 5 mins shouldn't miss, or at least not be consumed upon missing.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 09:44:15 AM »

Perhaps the mob dodged or parried? I agree with your association of previous critical hits that imply you must actually hit to begin with. In the case of these abilities when it hits it's always a crit., but I think it doesnt gaurentee a hit though.  I'll as Talisker & Co and if it's supposed to always hit then I'll add this to Bug / Issue list 2.0

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Eh, someone else can maintain the list. Uninstalled VG today, and do not plan on renewing. Maybe I will see some of you all in Age of Conan or Warhammer Online. Best of luck, and I hope they fix the class in addition to the game.

Bummer  Cry, Your presence will be missed as well as your passion for the monk as a class.

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 11:22:32 AM »

Sorry to see you go Chunli.  I was just curious whether it was the state of the monk, or PvP that truly caused you to leave, or some combination of the two (from what I hear pvp is simply a gank fest right now with the bugs and people exploiting). 

I suppose now that your gone, and you always post way faster than me, that I could actually start contributing to this list :p

Good luck wherever you may end up.
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 07:21:07 PM »

Combination of things. Basically not happy with Vanguard in general. I really wanted to game to remind me of EQ I guess. The game did not deliver. Performance issues, game becoming too soft (increased xp rates, lowering requirements for stuff), PvP getting next to no attention, and lack of anyone of the Devs (in my mind at least) playing a Monk on the live servers. Yeah I know the game got released way too early, but I think Brad shot for too distant of a star when he did the game. While Quinn did a great job, the person he talks to did not.

So I decided to go with LotRO, which is extremely polished, and is very fun at the moment. I have had no performance issues, there is actual raid content planned, and I can either play for an hour and leave, or play for the entire day and enjoy myself. Something I could no longer do with Vanguard. Sure it is a rather simple game, but it is just a hold-me-over until I get into Conan and Warhammer Betas. Warhammer is probably where I will end up as I really enjoy the competitiveness of PvP, and Mythic did a great job in that aspect with DAoC.

Anyway, as I said, I really do hope they get a clue and fix Monks, along with the rest of the game. But I fear that will not be until AoC is released, and the real Warhammer Beta starts. Hell, there is even a Warhammer 40k MMO in the works, so I may end up looking at that. Anyway, the Monk community is a great one, I just wish the game would have worked out for me.
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« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2007, 09:38:30 AM »

Perhaps the mob dodged or parried? I agree with your association of previous critical hits that imply you must actually hit to begin with. In the case of these abilities when it hits it's always a crit., but I think it doesnt gaurentee a hit though.  I'll as Talisker & Co and if it's supposed to always hit then I'll add this to Bug / Issue list 2.0

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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2007, 01:51:01 PM »

Finally hit 50 on Varking and was all so excited about the exploding heart technique!  Sorcerers get Meteor Storm that does an AoE for 4k and 2 ticks of 2k, rangers got to make arrows that autoshot for 4k, other classes get special abilities... monks get the heart tickle technique.  I can see that first 2 steps not doing much damage, that makes sense to me as in martial arts the first steps set up the final actual strike, but the final damage is paltry at best.  I use it as often as I can just to see if I can get a decent crit out of it or something.  I think I hit for 5k once.  Ohhhh.  This skill should have an auto crit on it or something that makes is as dangerous as it SHOULD be.  In PvP, me or those I am fighting rarely last long enough to get that third shot off anyways...
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2007, 06:33:50 AM »

I completely agree! Especially with jin surge, make it a 10 second-15 second buff  so we can actually use it with chains.  And for god sakes.... give us some real animation with our monken arts, rehashed moves is lame common this game is supposed to be revolutionary.
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2007, 08:02:39 AM »

Aspect of the Spirit Dragon

I like the fact we get a invis/levi spell, but the cost and failure of the spell makes it hardly useable.

At level 48 i can cast this spell 5 times. Out of the 5 times it will fail after a minute atleast 3-4 times. For a monk to sit and meditate for 8 jin for a spell that is supposed to last 10 minutes and have it fail after 1 minute is really stupid. The jin should be lowed to like 4 and get rid of the stupid failure rate on it all together.


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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2007, 12:00:10 PM »

Invis breaking goes for Bloodmages, sorcerers, psionicists, etc too. The only class that has an invis that can't break, is the Bard.
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« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2007, 02:36:45 AM »

Those classes use Energy for their invis.  Something that will regenerate itself. Jin doesn't and that should make some difference combined with levitate being tied to it.
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