While it's always a possibility of replacing storm stance, I think Storm stance would be good if it were just fixed and tweaked in the right ways.

But I would like to see Dragon stance replaced with something different, because I don't think we'll ever see the HP regen increased to any significant level. I don't know if it's suppose to be in combat or out of combat, because I measured no difference in either with this stance activated.

I'd like to see something like this:
+10% runspeed. +endurance regen (minor), +HP regen out of combat.
Nothing major, but it's unique enough that one would actually consider using this stance once in a while, instead of Stone or Storm.
Maybe you use it for the utility of running around.
Maybe you use it to regen health out of combat.
Maybe you use it because you don't want to burn jin on storm stance, but don't care about the AC of stone stance, so you'd like to take advantage of a minor endurance regen buff.

Neither of those by themselves would make for a useful stance, but together they offer up something flexible and unique enough to be useful.

I posted the Harmonious ones in the monk ability sticky but here they are again for discussion purposes:

Level 30
- Magnificent Tiger:  Increases critical chance by 25% while increasing endurance costs by 50%.
- Eternal Crane:  Increases chance to block, parry and dodge by 25% and decreases endurance costs by 25%. Lowers damage by 20%.
- Harmonious Body:  Slowly regenerates Jin over time.

My thoughts on each are:
- Tiger is great for the high crit rates but is still a little too costly in terms of endurance. Perhaps the issue isn't the stance but moreso of the endurance cost of specific abilities themselves. Perfect example of this is Deadly Adder Hand, which causes weakness for 16 seconds and ends with a DD for approximately 250 damage (version 3). For the "bang", 57 endurance is way too costly to even use, so I don't.

- Crane is ok for those times when you need to off-tank but the tradeoff is a tough pill to swallow. There should be a tradeoff for the increase to evasion but the loss in damage is crippling in its current state.

- Harm body is interesting. For the first 28 levels or so, I thought it to be nothing more than a nice way to recoup Jin in downtime before jumping into a fight. However, I've recently started testing its usefulness in combat and I'm actually a little suprised at the results. The regen isn't so fast that I can stay near max Jin at all times in a fight but provides enough to give me the freedom to use almost any ability when I want (provided any individual refresh isn't preclusing it).

Since I mostly use Tiger as my other stance, the real comparison between the two is 1) impact of crit rates, and 2) impact to the endurance bar. Personally, I expected to miss the high crit rates that Tiger provides quite a bit when in Harm stance, but I'm actually still critting a fairly high amount. The real difference that I've noticed though is with regards to the endurance bar. In Tiger, an Eagle Claw and 3-4 immediate attacks and I'm OOE, and that's not even attempting to use Deadly Adder Hand either. If either Eagle Claw or DAH misses, I'm really behind the 8 ball in the fight. And if both miss, I immediately try to FD as it's way too hard to recover from. I've found the best way to manage this stance is not to fire abilities all at once right away but to pace myself using them throughout the fight so as to allow for my endurance to remain at an even keel, if possible.

In Harm stance though, the over-penalyzing endurance costs don't have as big of an impact, particularly on missed attacks and debuffs that need to be re-used. Meaning, I can choose to fire off more crits up front if I want to and potentially make the fight really short, especially if I get lucky with a few reactions or big crits. And obviously, Jin management is a little less of a problem in this stance as well.

I'm going to continue playing around with Harm Body some more but as of now, I'm actually beginning to like it over Tiger. Crane, on the other hand, is only ever useful to me in a group where I occassionally need to off-tank.

I would agree. However our debuffs badly lack duration (should increase with rank) and the reuse on our finisher (2 minutes for a 20 second effect) is a bit of a joke.

I couldn't agree with this more Quinn...

Drunken Style monks should excel at evasion and agro management.

I'd like to see not only powerful rescues, but the reverse as well.  The ability to either gain, shed, or redirect agro would serve very well as a defining role for the style, especially given their evasive nature.

Quinn - Speaking for only Dragons as that is what my toon is we are really more in dire straits then a "wish list".
We have had several patchs go in with very little monk tuning especially after we got hit with the nerf bat.
Dragon stances have been broke since release if not even prior to that in beta.
This recent patch with the increase to secrets which is nice and we are all enjoying actually invalidated one of our stances.
Storm Dragon was weaker then Secrects pre-patch now its a no brainer.
Dragon Stance has never worked so that leaves us with
Stone Dragon!  Woot for us!  Stone Dragon is a situational stance used for those times we need to off-tank or if we need to mitigate a little extra damage.

So in true game play that leaves Dragons with one viable stance, Whats Up with That!  We are not asking for what we would like to see as enhancements, we are asking to fix that which is broken.  Enhancements = wish list, Broken = priority fix!

For the last patchs we have seen all the other classes receive large strides in their tuning - It really is our turn.  One of the key elements is our stances especially the ones that are broken.  Seems strange that we get buffs to abilities that are working rather then fixing those items that are flat broken.  It would seem more logical to fix that which is broken first and then buff and tune from there.

You seem to have a pulse on the issues with the stances across all 3 flavors of monk, you play a harmonious and have stated that you believe harmonious are currently the most complete, I'm hoping that your influence with getting harmonious current could maybe also grace us Dragons and Drunks.

I play a harmi monk on live. On test I play all 3 monk styles.

So your contribution would be

• More Damage from Storm Dragon Proc
• Stacking issues eliminated from Storm Dragon
• In combat health regen for Dragon Stance
• Slightly more mitigation from Stone Dragon

~QTM

I am really hoping for a slight overhaul in the stances.  The proc on Storm Dragon is just not good compared to other classes.  Other classes are getting damage and crit stances, I am really hoping for that.  We have enough Secrets to add additional damage to each hit, I am really hoping for a straight damage stance to help out our overall DPS, which is extremely lacking.  Yes, I hope Dragon Stance is fixed, but I don't think this is the stance the majority of people will be in.  I view Dragon Stance as a priority because it is the primary stance, and it needs to be brought up to par with other classes.  I'd like to see like 20-30% more damage and maybe 5% crit or something.  Stone Dragon gets a large bonus in mitigation and resist, why can't there be a similar increase for our damage?

As I see it, we Dragon Monks are supposed to be all-out DPS with very little utility.  However, our DPS sucks compared to every other class, including healers.  To compensate for our low utility, we need DPS comparable or greater to those of Rangers, who can shoot things from 50 meters away and do insane damage while they do it, and THEN outdamage us with huge attacks and nice buffs up close.  I think Monks with such low utility need to be able to do more damage than a Ranger, but hey, that's just me.

We need an actually useful stance that actually makes a difference.  Hopefully if the lightning from the stance and a secret stack on top of eachother we'll get a bit more DPS, but I'm still really pulling for a straight damage/crit stance that would help put us on par with the other offensive classes who all have much much more utility.