Awesomeness, thanks

OK, not sure of the exact significance of this, but the mob that gave me the update was the first of the maidens I tanked in that play session.  No further updates.  Went back tonight - again first Zull Flame Maiden I tanked - update and completed the learning.  So took me only 2 learning successes to gain RitW3.

OK, so I also "started" learning RITW3 last night...actually it wasmore the afternoon on the flare maidens. I received one update on that mob, tanking every maiden I saw from that point on, I did not recieve another update. I also logged off and back on later on at night, tried again, still no update or ability. I dunno, I am not really all that excited about another upgrade to RITW...why do all the other classes get DIFFERENT learned abilities, and we get the back end of the deal with a DODGE...3 versions of the same one...for example, sorcs get amd destruction, amp celerity, and some group buff, and I think one other thing but I dont remember, Bards get Fox over takes the hare 1,2,3, and a different ability that is learned in rhaz as well, a defensive one. I, being one of the last 2 level 50 monks on Tharridon, the PVP FFA server, am just really tired of playing the waiting game. Being as I was the 3rd to 50, now the first 2 quit, and there is one other level 50 monk on the server, the closest to us is like 40, 42 ish...I am really upset with the way our class is going right now. It seems to me we get pushed away and no one bothers to care about us. Well, all hat does is lose players. I love vanguard, but unless the monks get a good fix soon, I may just wanna reroll or play a different game...but that's just it...I worked hard to get to 50 and I dont wanna roll another toon to 50. I have twin one year olds so my playtime can be sparsed sometimes, but this is just getting rediculous. I found a dropped disciple spell yesterday and got oh so upset.The disciples dont even play anymore really cause their class is worse than ours, but I would say we are the next to worse one. ESPECIALLY PVP. Pve, we have a chance but we are not needed in any group, I have found many would much rather have a rogue...especially now that we are all 50 and dont really care if we die, we can just summon up and retry. But there is nothing special we add to the group. PVP wise, I can't win a fight 1 v 1 unless its a rogue or a ranger that i happen to get the jump on, I used to have a chance against sorcs and druids if I got the jump, but not anymore. Fact is, EVERY OTHER CLASS HAS A SNARE OR A ROOT AND SOME FORM OF BURST DMG. If we had that, we would be fine and I would stop complaining, but we don't therefor, the game just isnt fun for me anymore. I do my few armor quests Im working on atm, but if PVP comes up, I may as well lay down and die. Better yet, FD and pray they dont kill me...wait, no thats an ability that is useless in pvp...what was I thinking??

I understand that QTM doesnt play on a pvp server, so he doesnt really know what I am going through atm, but I  would be glad to talk to you about how our class performs and what could really be useful for us to use without becoming OP like most other classes can be considered.

Sorry this turned out to be more of a complaint than anything, I just wanted to tell you all about the RITW3, but I just started typing and couldn't stop. I'm just really getting sick of this.

Thanks for reading and QTM if you need any advice on the pvp server, feel free to ask/e-mail or create a level 1 toon and send me an ingame tell.


Pray for monk love!

Yeah I removed most of the quote for obvious reasons.  As a fellow pvp lover, I understand your feelings.  However, as a vanguard player, I must quote Brad and Talisker back in Beta.  This game WILL NOT be balanced around PvP.  They allow PvP servers as a "service" but they do not support balancing of pvp.  This game has bigger issues atm than dealing with 2 3 servers that demand balancing for pvp.  I hate to say it, but I would not expect pvp anytime soon in this game.  The way current balancing is, there would be 1-3 classes that would just completely own everyone else.  If you want PvP I would wait for Age of Conan or Warhammer.

Uh first of all: Use paragraphs  please.  It's hard to read without any proper spaces in between.

Secondly, you are over-exaggerating. Yes, we have a lot of issues but it's not true that our abilities don't work. They do work fine but they need tweaking. The new Storm Dragon Stance is much better then the old one. Just the increased damage and crit rate alone are great. I do proc a lot in it too for around 900 to 1k at lvl 50.

Stinging backfist doesn't use endurance.

Yes we can't solo 3+ dot mobs, at least not in an efficient way. But you can always go to afrit and work for bags there. I am almost done with the 3k faction grind and I did all of it solo. Yes it is hard and yes it takes a lot of time but it can be done. Should it be done that way? No, not if almost every other class has it much easier.
Either way, I never had troubles soloing 2dot red mobs without much downtime. So saying we can't solo is just plain wrong.


There are a few spell caster classes who can but saying every other class but us can = wrong.

Like I said, we do have a lot of issues that NEED to be looked at but it doesn't help exagerating it either.

The shuriken issue has been around forever. They are bugged and you can as well go and buy the cheapest ones from the vendor. Other then the tiiiiiiny increase in range there will be no difference.

Like I said a few times already: it's the fact that sigil/soe doesn't know what the monk should be, together with bad itemization and a mess of a skillset, we still wait for someone to really look at us.

I can see you are totally annoyed about the current situation. I am too, but take a depp breath and count to 10

Is the learning of Reed In The Wind III bugged?  I have tanked 7 Flare Maidens and got only 1 update.  A friend tanked 10 of them and didnt get a single update.  Any ideas?

A guildie of mine was having a similar problem with learned abilities. We used the following get him to learn his ability completely.

• The mob offers his chance to learn an ability around 60%
• Right around that point we just auto attack only.
• There is a particle effect surrounding this opportunity so it should be visible.

I hope this hellps in someway. If it's still not working out for you. I'll see if I can replicate it on test.

~QTM

yeah sorry, I meant flame maidens.  I actually got another update, but it is very rare that I get an update.