Hi Talisker,

Thank you very much for making an appearance in the forums to discuss monk issues.

Best,
   nennafir

Thank you, Talisker, your words are reassuring after having heard absolutely nothing since release.

It was my guess yesterday that the bug fix of the direct damage abilities had an unfortunate side effect on monks. I will now login and test how it works with the quick fix.

Thank you for taking the time to post on the monk forums.  We really appreciate this in the monk community.  I for one was tearing my hair out yesterday.

I'm curious what you mean finding our new abilities also...  Didn't hear anything about that.

Anyways, our damge at least is "fixed" with this mornings patch, however, just messing around soloing I do notice a slight damage decrease.  I'll have to wait until I group tonight to get a better estimate, as I'm more familiar with my damage output in my static group.  I don't solo much for some mysterious reason....

Pending further testing, I still believe monks need to be looked at seriously for a significant overhaul/revamp.  They haven't really been touched since beta 3, and they were pretty far from complete then.  I was discussing this with a fellow monk on Hilsbury, just shooting some Ideas around.  I will digress later on this in a seperate thread, but basically I feel that by having a monk choose between 3 styles, you force him into an avenue of subpardom to someone else in every case (as it stands atm).  If you were to condense the abilities given to all 3 styles into the general monk abilities (Maybe not necesarrily all of them, but general monk abilities + all 3 styles abiliites = about teh amount of abilites a paladin gets, so I don't see why that wouldn't be viable).  Instead of choosing a style at 15, you are given access to your 3 basic stances.  Furthermore, at certain levels you should be able to learn a new stance, be it from a quest giver, observing a mob fight, whatever, the possibilties are many.  I think that monks shouldn't necesarrily have a lot of utility, but what we lack in utility could be made up in versatility between the stance.  This combined with a good baseline dps would make monks a very fun and interesting class.

This is a very brief version.  I feel together we came up with some very plausible and balanceable ideas.  Please let me know how you feel on this, and I will take the time to write a more complete summation.

Guys;

Can y'all double check your counter attacks. I am hearing from Talisker that he is able to use Quivering Palm. Plase also list what version of the ability you are attempting to use.

Thanks,

~QTM

Sorry, let me clairfy my request;

According to Talsker on Dev and on Test he is able to use Quivering Palm and deliver the debuff on the mob. Sorry for the confusion.

The debuff takes 50% melee damage away from the target. (e.g. say you were getting hit for 100, You use QP, for the next 8 seconds you will now get hit for 50)

It could be his version of the skill works where as others may not.

~QTM

Well since the patch I've noticed that when I solo I end up with a lot less HP after the fight then I did before the patch. Granted I'm only lvl 10 but I used to be able to plow through blue and light blue 2 dots with little down time. Now I'm under 50% HP after any fight.

Quivering Palm I and Quivering Palm II do not deliver any debuffs for me.