I'll add my 2 copper for this thread :
- Our lack of an energy bar isnt compensated by Jin uses. Even rogues get an energy bar, and us monks, witch are supposed to be the most "mystical" of the non caster classes, we dont have any. This is a built in flaw that will cripple us unless we get some huge compensation.

- Damage reduction for monks is allmost non existant. As we get a few "tanking" abilities, we should be given some kind of survavibility to use them. Avoidance has always been unreliable, unless you can scale up to like 50%. I'd prefer to have 20% mitigation and 0% avoidance than 30% avoidance and 0% mitigation, because i know i wont get bursted and killed with a few lucky shots. So either raise our avoidance by a large margin (but with a mechanism that dont allow us to build too much aggro, like lowering our hate each time we avoid an attack, else we'll suplant tanks) or raise our mitigation. A Sorcerer with same quality gear of same level will have a better mitigation than a monk since he get massive self mitigation buffs.

- The dragon stance "fix" we had since last patch is ugly : i would rather have a stance that doubles natural hp regen than a self invis that wont add a lot to both survavibility or utility.

Many issues mention already, so I'll try not to digress too much.

1)Weapons - Monks see slim to no benefit from equipping weapons.  Weapons monk can equip tend to have stats geared towards disciples.  Lack of weapons in quest rewards, and higher level drops.

2)Lack of abilities/ poor scaling of said abilities -  Count up the total number of monk abilites.  Then add the abilities from your stance.  This number is generally well below every other classes total number.  Secondly, when we get a new ability, it becomes much less effective until you upgrade it.  However, the upgrades on abilities in the tooltips is usually a whopping 20-40 damage increase, meaning its not really much of an upgrade at all.  Mobs have probably gained 2k hp in that level span if they are 2 dot, and likely 10k+ if they are 4 dot.  An extra 40 damage is not going to make a difference.

3)Lack of energy bar/is jin worthless - I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but why do we have jin in the first place, if we don't get a source of power ie energy that every other class.  It's like they decided to just add a limiting factor to monks, while simultaneously removing a potential gain.  Give us an energy bar, get rid of jin and the problem is pretty much solved.  Thus energy would be somewhat desirable and at the very least useable.  Other wise, make abilities like secrets and iron hand jin based, and ashen hand, jin surge, and the like based off of energy for example.

4) No utility! - Many will disagree with this, but FD does not equal utility.  The best use for FD, and I think a fair share of higher level monks will agree, is to drop combat and rez your healer mid fight.  Our silly little mez barely counts as utlity, when many other classes can mez faster and more effectively. We have 1 self buff(aums), no group buffs.  Stances provide neglible gain, and usually at a pricey cost.  If we got one group buff I'd be happy here.  I don't want a ton of utility, just a little something to bring to the group (besides our hopefully very soon to be largely increased dps).
Personally, I think the ranger buff stalker's grace that adds str/dex and melee crit/accuracy screams monk.  I think monk should get a str/dex crit/dmg buff, and rangers dex/con accuracy/evasion.  To me that matches the "feel" of each class better. /shrug

5) Styles ultimately force you to pick a path to be subpar at -  As it stands, in any style you pick, you will not be able to excel over another class at anything.  Furthermore, the differnence in styles does not affect your experience as a monk dramatically.  Personally, I think styles should be done away with.  roughly all the abilities should be made available to all monks.  We should get 3 stances based roughly on each style.  Dragon is our offensive stance,  Drunken our defensive, and Harmonious a mid-line stance.  Furthermore, I'd almost rather we didn't even get a true defensive stance, rather our stances allowed us to provide different damage/effects.  Harmonious could haste you and add a slow proc to your attacks.  Drunken a large increase in damage or crits, at the expense of accuracy.  Just some very vague ideas, but a lot of things could be done here, and very balanceable.

6) Avoidance - A touchy subject, and a difficult thing to balance.  However, I definetly do not feel very evasive at all, especially when I watch rangers chain parry the crap out of things.  I think 75% evasion was way too high, but monks ending up somewhere around 40-45% and other light fighters at about 30-35% is pretty reasonable.

7) DPS - As it stands, our dps is atrocious.  This is not debatable.  Dps obviously needs to be balanced with utlitiy, and as it stands we have basically no utility.  So in my mind, that means we should dps kings.  And I literally mean top of the dps tree.  I see it something like this on single targets 1) Rogues>Monks, Sorcerors 2)Ranger>Necro, Druid 3) Bard, Bloodmage, Psi (no charm, which can send psi dps through the roof with the right pet) > offensive stanced tank
4) Tank>Healers
AE fights are somewhat different, but it definetly seems like Monks should be top of the liine melee dps, with the amount of ae abilites and procs we have.  Sorcerors should own ae for casters.
These are my thoughts about how we the dps tree should look, provided our utility doesn't get added to.

Well, that's the best I can do right now, I had to reformat last night so It's time for another restart. /sigh

Until laterz

Hmm, not only does my Aum Ti icon on the buff bar not mention the reduced cost, if I switch to harmonious stance (no reduction / no increase cost) and use a 16 endurance ability, my endurance goes from 100 to 84.  So appears to be not working for me.

Anyone else to double check this?? there appears to be conflicting reports. Just remember to test it 100 for simplicity sake.

~QTM

Dragging to the end for a list update....

Issues:
-Claws and knuckles should be represented visually on the character's hands. Fist wraps, however, should continue to look like the monk is bare handed.

-Monk fists and fist weapons should have their crit chance returned to 10% per hand, because they are the only class that is entirely dependent on crits to unlock their DPS. If not, the monk needs to be reworked to have it's DPS not be reliant on crits. The easiest and best path here is to just give them their crits back as it was intended.

-Martial sword parry chance should be doubled, considering you cannot duel wield them like parry daggers. Monks should be the king of evasion amongst offensive fighters.

-Monk weapon loot tables appear to be woefully incomplete. There's a very limited selection of weapons to choose from on the exchange compared with other weapon types.


Suggested tweaks for other powers:

-To make Storm Stride more useful, it should give you 5% extra chance to crit, along with a small accuracy and damage bonus for the next attack.
-Storm stride should not detrigger finishing moves. You should be able to active storm stride after a crit and then land your finisher behind the enemy..

-Ignore pain, not being tied to endurance to jin, shouldn't trigger the global refresh timer. The timer slows down your attack rate after a dull pain when you probably need those precious seconds to kill off the enemy before he kills you.

-For the same reason I think swaying step should not be on a global timer, so you can throw in an evasion without being forced to wait to use something like dull pain, or another utility power. Considering that it has a 15 second refresh it's not like you could spam it.

You cant possibly think that being able to go from 0 jin to full jin in the matter of about 3 seconds wether in combat or not was intended.  If you honestly believe that then you are a complete idiot