maybe you just dont know how to play your monk properly

Or maybe the monk class is a broken POS right now? Why is this always the first statement to every complaint about any class? Do you honestly think that you hit your Boundless Fist --> Six Dragon Strike --> Jin Surge --> Feet of the Fire Dragon better than me? You think it takes much effort to push any class to its max? Don't lecture me on how to play a class, until you provide infalible proof otherwise.

The class is broken, end of story, there is absolutely no reason to play a Drunken or Harmonious monk period. Both styles had superior defensive capabilities to the Dragon Monk prior to the nerf. Now they are just plain crap.

Dragon style, the best of the stances, is a broken and flawed style in and of itself. One part of the stance doesnt even work, the other is worthless and the best stance doesnt stack with the secret series at all.  And lets not talk about the insane amount of endurance our abilities take to cast, and the lack of chance to crit to open up our REAL damage. I got 12.5% chance to crit IF I choose to use my bare fists or fist weapons. If you think its "FINE" that we can go through an entire fight without getting one crit,when the meat and potatoes of our class abilities require it, then you sir are an idiot.

Name calling aside, monks are broken, anyone else who thinks otherwise is either deluded, or a fanboi. Not that there is much of a difference between them.

I think monks are a great class, but we do have many bugged/broken or just plain in need of tweaking skills.
from the finisher pannel screwing up, to only a few stances working correctly between all three styles... there is deffinatly a lot of bugs.
Even with those fixed, monks dont fall into line correctly with the offensive fighters.
Rogues still are flat out broke.
Assuming Ranger/Bard are working as intended, Rogues need to be hugely improved to come out roughly on top for dps.. a little above Ranger since rangers have some other toys.
Monks.... we need to either be put equal to rogues on top for dps, or a little lower than rogue, and on par with ranger, but given some more power for pulling.

I did pick monk to be a puller, and am a bit disssapointed that any class with lull generally does it better.  I still get pleanty of opportunity to do so..... but will i be a puller on raids? if id know now.... id reroll to whatever was :/

Cant FD pull anymore, its been "fixed" and mobs just run back to where they were.

In the patch, mobs do run back a lot faster while pulling.  They do not leash onto us anymore, however that is how it should be imo.  It does not make it impossible to FD Pull, but rather an art than an "ranged attack -> fd -> attack".  It takes precise timing and coordination with group members to FD Pull properly.  FD Pulling is an Art, Not a Skill.

I had planned on just reading this board but this thread made me register.

You need to try different combinations with your monk.  I am a harm monk and I regularly finish off mobs with 75% health.  If I fight mobs 2 levels below me I can fight continously stopping maybe once every 5 or 10 minutes if I get unlucky with chains during a fight.

how do I do this?

Well for one I use a 2hed weapon.  My crits are alot higher.  My weapon also happens to be a crafted yellow con martial sword.  So my evade in Tiger is still 30%.  Im over 40% with crane but my dps drops too much when I solo.

I recently farmed a rare tree resource so I am having a guildmate make a martial staff.  I can't wait to see how the dble damage for crits effects my gameplay.  I will lose quite a bit of evade so it may be more of a grouping option.

As ar as crane stance goes my only issue is holding aggro in a group.  I can tank 3 and 4 dot even con mobs in a group easily. It is just hard for me to hold aggro.

As far as balance goes I think monks are  about right.  It's the other classes that are way overpowered.  NO way a disciple or 3/4 of the other classes in the game should be able to solo even con 3 dot mobs when we do not even stand a chance.  I would rather the game be a little harder for everyone then easier for monks.

NM i now see the FD stealth nerf.  my only hope is that it was not intentional and it was how they fixed mob warping/disappearing issue.  hopefully it was an unintentional side effect.  if not the devs pretty much just slapped the monk in the face yet again and basically told us to reroll.

as far as people not seeing we have nothing to offer?? tell me what we offer then besides companionship to a friend and an occasional very buggy very time consuming corpse run?

We offer the LOWEST DPS in game
We offer NO utility
We can NO LONGER split pull
We CAN FD to save the group and rez... OOPS thats BUGGED STILL cant get out of combat... sorry guys i died too

true story... i am a lvl 24 monk (just dinged) i was standing next to a 24 sorcerer i watched him kill 6 mobs all at the same time in approximatley 7 secs.  It took me around 30 secs to kill 1 of the same mobs.

true story.. one of my guild friends is a ranger and we group regularly.  we are of same level and gear.  ranger pulls mob and its about half dead before i get an attack off.  another scenario... ranger pulls 2 mobs, i take one and he takes one,  his is dead by the time mine is about 60 % health.

true story... i also regularly group with a bard guild friend... he pulls aggro off of me easy i can rarely pull it off of him. he can lull pull, i can no longer FD.. he has probably the best utility in game and at the same time out dps's me.

now dont tell me this is all in my poor skill at playing... ive played almost every mmo out there.  i have been a successful raid leader in Eq1 and EQ2.  I do ALOT of research and I know how to play my class VERY well.

My point is this...  I love the monk.  I am going to stick with it.  However there is no need for me in groups as I add no utility,  i have the worst dps in game.  Split pulling is currently not really an option.  The only reason i have groups is because I came here with my guild.  EIther we are WAAAAAAAAAY underpowerd as apposed to the other offensive fighters or they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overpowered.  Something HAS to give.. they need to give us SOMETHING.. We all cry for buffs and or fixes yet the last 3 patches have severely gimped us more then I thought possible.  They gave us absolutly no reason and no word from a developer about anything to do with our class.  Their are NUMEROUS posts over at silky venom where the devs frequently view and respond to posts.  They have yet to respond to any of our posts and outcrys over there.  Even when the post are well written.