The sapporters of the nerfs on test are elitests and need to get over it. Everyone knows the 5 apw piece set, ups your parse damage by nearly 1/3. Pre 5 bonus i was parsing around 3k after i got my 5 piece i was get up and over 6k. Granted buff upgrades and gear upgrades have helped to raise the damage. But the 5 piece bonus was/is a big chunk of that inflatied damage. The proc needs the nerf not the monk, and well maybe the monks needs a nerf too, but if so its needs to be how secrets of fire and ice scale with int. The current changes on test are all wrong....

Think about it a second, what gear could they possibly come out with that would make you wanna replace your monk apw armor, 10% chance to proc fist of celerity? Maybe, a 5% chance to proc quickning jolt? This game should be gear intencive for raid progression, but isn't it really taking it to the extreme with a monk? Which class gets a better 5 piece bonus? Monk apw gear is giving us excessive dps thats not scaling well compaired to other dps classes. For the good of the game we need to give up the apw armor proc.

after silius' post on the forums on this subject i sent him this pm, thought you guys should know.

first off, yes my account is cancelled for a multitude of reasons, which means this message carries exactly no weight whatsoever. however, after spending the last several months of my life enjoying a class, i figured i would make 1 last attempt to break through the wall of raiders who seem to comprimise the only voice being heard in regards to this subject,

First off i do not believe the path you are taking is the correct one. in my opinion it is not actually adressing the problem but is instead treating the symptoms of that problem. that being the case, if vanguard continues to exist as a game and grow then the problem will return in the future.

the first issue i think that needs to be addressed is simply recoding the thousand fists line of attacks and the shiv/shank attacks so that there are no multiple swings taking place. the coding for these has got to be complex, and the fact that the flat damage buffs did not do what was expected had your model been correct should be a pointer that there is something else going on. this was brought up when the first flat damage post by talisker was made, and was shouted down by the same folks giving you the advice you are listening to now. you will be better in the long run removing the complexity from the coding in attacks than trying to keep them in. Also, and i will be the scourge of the monk world for suggesting this, but i would remove the 5-piece monk proc from apw armor. it is wickedly overpowered.

The second issue which needs addressed is going to be raid buffs. melee classes disproportionally increase when raid buffs, and i believe most of the issue comes from the combination of turgin's and renewal. unfortunately if you nerf the abilities because of the growth they obtain in a raid environment it also means you disproportionally nerf them out of that envirionment. i am aware of the issues for tanks it would cause to uncouple these 2 buffs but that combination makes it possible for rogues and monks to just repeatedly spam their abilities. considering how utterly worthless everyone considers melee haste in raids should be a clear indicator of how often we actually have auto-attack on. we don't.

i believe that taking these steps, and possibly re-evaluating how Fists of celerity, quickening jolt and errant strikes stack will solvfe the majority of the problems without creating the lopsided negative effects on characters who are not in a raiding environment. i also believe that correcting these problems now will also help to eliminate the need for further nerfs down the road.

Like i said, due to my inactive account i doubt this will be read, but this is a viewpoint which i know is shared by others in the monk community who realize monks are very OP in a raid but have a very different view as to what the causes are, and what should be done. if you have read this far, thank you for your time.

Sincerly,

XXX

this is the straw which broke the camels back, not the only reason. as far as actually convincing the devs to take a different look... yeah right. unfortunately the only people they talk to or interact with are the high end raiders, who unfortunately do not take any notice of whats good for the game as a whole just whats best for them.