You know what?  I'm fine with it.  My heart bleeds for the drunkens who are going to lose alot of their edge with the changes that went on test the other day, but I've looked over my numbers and I'm fine with them.  If anything I just want to see my debuff timers get fixed on raids and I'll sit in a corner with my cookie.
 
And don't forget what is on test is not permanent YET...

Yes I know, but imo the drunken are still getting smacked alot harder.  I'll never get fatigued    In fact, the only number I'm seeing different today from the set I posted on your thread in the general game discussion 2 days ago is the crescent kick.  I very well may have bought myself a little nerf by reporting the 8s timer, but meh, it was inc anyway.  (Though I'm not vain enough to think the devs bothered reading my post)

This may sound silly, but I'm not worried because I have faith the game will still be playable.  The nerf hand takes, but the other one gives back...  We've all heard the wild speculation about APW mobs' hp being re-specced, or all raid encounters being boosted to 24 man (not just the new ones).  Yes rumors are about as real as a gnomish monk, but then the changes on test aren't real yet either.

I expect the changes on live servers to see yet more tweaks in the weeks following the update anyhow when the ones who aren't bothering to look over test now get a taste of "HOLY SH*T" and flock to the forums to have the same debate we're having now.

In the mean time, I'm more than willing to give parse data if it helps.  My rinky-dink numbers from soloing may not be what they're after, but I won't have it said I let the changes happen unfairly.  How/where do devs want parse data?

Fatigued is apparently the buff you get when you proc with the fabled monk weapon.  Odd that something that restores stamina is called fatigued.

The proc from the 5th set piece does look like the fists of celerity icon ya, but now that you mention it, I don't remember actually seeing it this week... I'll double check, but maybe they broke the icon >.<.   It definiitely is still proccing though, agree.

Edit: Nahh the icon is appearing fine, i saw it 5/5 procs just now.. Shows how much I pay attention

  We all knew monks were destined for nerfage. It seems to me the real problems are in the buffs not the class. So the far the changes aren't too severe, except for the secrets proc rate. This change will help to kill the monks ability to single pull, especailly at lower levels. As secrets of ice was the only way to modify the rate at which the mobs return to there spawn points. The rest will lower DPS soemwhat. More then likely we will get another Barrage of nerfs, if in fact they want monks doing ranger like damage.

 Must say I liked the Ashen Hand on the cool down alot more then this new worthless Ashen hand. But atleast this will make Secrets of Transcendence decent, unless the 5% damage is a 50% chance aswell. I am begining to wonder if they have even done any monk testing  for solo/group. These changes are gonna wreck that playing field. We all know the real problem with monk dps has to do with raid buffs and 1000 fists. If you look at rogues rangers and monks, on raids they all were  parsing alot higher then casters. Rangers held back alot by agro management, not damage potential.
Fix the buffs, the classes aren't the problem.

That is what I want, I don't like spamming the same ability 60 times in one fight, or having 4 hotbars filled with variations of the same 6 abilities.

I don't "prefer" it just so I can do more damage, here I thought we were getting a nerf.  If they don't get it from ashen hand where are they going to get it?

Extending the timer on thousand fists, and removing the timer on Ashen Hand means we are simply going to be spamming flying kick more often, that is the change to our playstyle this patch brings.

Does it do ANYTHING for dragons?  No.  Does it make drunken less OP, slightly yes, it certainly makes it easier to play.

Ashen hand on a timer would have made this class 10x more interesting to play, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how the 10 second reduction even affects lower level players (cause I think 6 jin hurts them more than 4 jin and 10 sec refresh).

This update is pathetic, also making transcendence a perma buff is another horrible idea.  They should reduce its cost or make it MORE effective so that people would use it to soak up jin (both enabling it, and then enabling flames again once it is down).

Monk dps was already on a fixed track before this patch, with increased jin costs and a longer thousand fist it will just be worse.

Way to make the class slow and mindless.  (not the devs but  the monks who whined about a 10 second timer on our biggest non chain attack, you know who you are.  Here is hoping Avair blocks all of your email addresses so you can stop ruining the class).  Now that I have my 5 set bonus I have even less respect for other high end raiding monks who have for months poisoned the dev's and these boards with their... well I suppose its just sheer stupidity since this class was one of the easiest to play before the patch and after will most certainly be the easiest for anyone to hit the ceiling with. 

I don't know what drives you, do you need to multi task during raids so you are looking for a simpler class?  I mean hell you are already dps with a full aggro wipe, and a pretty straightforward damage routine how much easier do you need them to make it for you?  Or are you really just doing it for all the "lower level monks".  I leveled monk when it was the bottom of the barrel, only it wasn't even that bad then.  You know what if I had a timer on ashen hand I would have worked with it just fine, it certainly would have made the class I enjoyed even back them more complex.



Oh btw I was under the impression jin bonds were going away with GU6, I sure hope so maybe then you will change your mind.