So taking some time this weekend to switch to all 3 styles and update the bug list... again.

General Monk Bugs/Issues


* Bug: The ability to split pull using FD has mysteriously been removed. (Bug acknowledged by Talisker and the pause prior to moving back to spawn spot will be reintroduced)

* Bug: Ranged attacks do not agro on misses (bug or intentional?)
* Bug: Storm stride doesnt teleport you behind the enemy if the enemy is near a wall.


*Bug: secret of flame/ice remove all attack animations and make us appear to only jab
*Issue: secret of transcendence is worthless, now that secret of ice and fire last forever, there is no point in a 1 minute secret that only adds 5% dmg.  Suggestion: Make secret of transcendence like fire/ice and leave it on till toggled off.

*issue: Goading slap gives very little hate for how hard we hit, +1600 hate (or 2400 for sup version) means very little when we hit for 4-10k every attack

*issue: wanning palm only works on defensive targets IF they have agro, so basically we can only debuff tanks agro.  It would be nice if we could use this on any defensive target and help them keep their agro down (like on a sorc)

* Bug: Jin Surge is used up even if you miss.
*Suggestion: Make jin surge only used on skills (not auto attack), and make increasing ranks add hits (aka rank 2 = next 2 skills, rank 5 = next 5 skills)

*Bug: Aums that teach skills (E.G. Aum of the roaring dragon) dont always work, and occasionally it takes 2-3 tries to learn each skill
*ssue: Aums that teach skills take way to much jin and if you change styles relearning all the skills takes forever
*Issue: Switching styles is a major pita, id appreciate something shorter like the shm form switch

*Bug: Aum liat loses the speed portion of the buff on loging/chunking occasionally.

*Issue: reed in the wind had its level lowered, but the mobs you learn it from are the same level, so the point of lowering its level was negated by the fact you have to be the same level as before to learn it

*Issue: Fist of celerity (and errant strike) dont work on all attacks, there are about 30% of the attacks we have it wont work on.

*Issue: Pushing hands is ridiculously weak, it takes 8 of our stance pushes to = 1 from a ranger or disciple... not to mention ours costs 40 endurance to cast.

******Issue: Also, another great suggestion was to give monks a full endurance regen.  Something like +100 endurance, on a 2 minute timer.  Something like 2-3 jin cost (cant be to high, if we are out of endurance we likely cant build up jin)

******* Issue: Three finger strikes avoidance debuff doesnt do much on lvl 51+ mobs, seems to be the same chance to hit/miss, it also needs its duration uped to 8 seconds

*******Issue: the attack that garuntes a crit for all 3 forms (4 jin 5 min recast) is a complete waste.  The jin cost is too high, the recast is WAY WAY to long, and the overall dmg of the skill is too low (from 0 to 400) ,  The point of the skill is to open finishers, but sadly this skill isnt worth pressing.  I would suggest a 1 min reuse and 2 jin cost.

*******Issue: Attacks that open finishers with increased crit rate (6 jin 2 min reacst) is another wasted skill because of its high jin/long recast.  Again 3 jin 1 min recast would be more appreiate, specially considering it does no damage for drunken.

*****Issue: ae finisher line: if you kill a mob you can no longer use the remaining hit(s) on the other mobs that the previous ae hit. (this is just a pet peeve, id love for the ae finisher line to be better)

Harmonious monk bugs/issues

* Bug When I play a card in a parlay, my harmonious body stance is toggeled off.  Doesn't happen for legendary tiger stance (or immortal crane, I think).

           
Eagle Claw 4   Awesome debuff, could probably use to be melee + dmg, since on raids there is no point in pressing this if a warrior is debuffing mit.

Deadly adder hand 5   Awesome debuff again, stacks well.  I would just say that melee dots dmg blow.  4k dmg over 32 seconds is real low.  The average auto attack at 50 with raid buffs is over 2k  which translates to 2 seconds to do more dmg then this attack does.  I would shoot for 1-2k a tic (3 sec)  as a standard for melee dot dmg.
     
Withering Palm Another great debuff, jin cost is too high and duration should be upped to 5 min so its less of a chore.
     
Steal the wind 3: An okay debuff, but the duration needs to be 2-5 minutes on the mob and 2-5 minutes on the monk.  Also either this recast needs to be put at 1 minute or the drunken/dragons defensive finisher needs to be instant recast.
           
Wave hands in the clouds 3:  Recast is slightly long, and the duration slightly short;  only slightly minor tweaks would be great


*With all of harmonious debuffs and diamond body, as well as find the center, harmonious monks are by far the solo choice.   They have the greatest survivability, but fall drastically shy of usefull dps in a raid since most of their attacks are low dmg or long dots with low dmg.

Stance

Probably the most controversial, as such i will keep it simple and just state my opinions.


Dragon:
Def:  The fire/ice rune is fantastic, but the ac is worthless since it doesnt scale based on armor.  Additionally i personally feel that dragon suffer a little due to no additional dodge/parry in comparison to harmonious and drunken.  Although with the rune as nice as it is, I would personally settle for a % based ac gain instead of the current flat ac gain.

Mid:  The hp regen is too low, with 6k buffless hp and 11k raid buffed hp, 72 hp/3 sec  is really minor.  I think a % based heal would be the best.  2% hp every 3 sec in combat and 5% every 3 sec out of combat.

Offensive:  Could use a few tweaks,
1) lose the mitigation debuff, no reason for a monk to sit at 0% mit at 50, specially if we arent going to be more dps then sorcs. 
2) Increase the proc rate of the storm lightning (it says 15% but i average 1-2 per 2 minute fight with over 100 attacks.   Also change the proc to melee dmg instead of arcane so we dont heal mobs with our offensive stance
3)  The +% damage could use to be slightly higher


Harmonious
Defensive:  At 50, this is the most over powered stance.  8% dodge/parry with an endurance cost reduction that stacks with everything makes it so the majority of harmonious attacks cost 2-5 endurance.   Im okay with it staying as is, as long as drunken monks get some love on their defensive stance.

Mid:  This needs to be closer to the disciple jin regen of 4 per 3 seconds.   As is its very very low and not useful.

Offensive:  The offensive stance is currently an anti offensive stance 40% increased endurance cost is entirely to much for 30% crit.  Most monks at 50 wont notice to much of a difference with the 30% crit but they will notice the 40% endurance cost.  Currently i find it more efficent to dps in the defensive stance  and never run out of endurance.   I would say cut the penalty in half to 20%. 


Drunken
Defensive:  9% dodge/parry and a small damage shield.  Not terrible, but for the tank monk this should be tweaked slightly.  This should have a +agro modifier on it (not the middle stance) and the parry/dodge should be 2-4% higher (11-13% dodge/parry) So there is a clear cut defensive tank monk. 

Mid:  Refresh haste and + agro.   I think the % agro gain should go on the deffensive stance.  Thats about the only change id suggest, other then that this is the only mid stance that doesnt need to be improved.

Offensive:  Fine, if not a little to much dmg at 50.  This +dmg on this stance scaled very nice from 15 to 50, (think it was 12, 17, 22% dmg) while the dragons offensive stance starts out high and never goes up much (20,22, 24).  You end up in a dilemma where the drunken stance is only 2% less dmg and it got more powerful as it leveled while dragons started with an edge and lost it very quickly.

Well im looking at my logs of over 1000 fights and my hit/miss ratio on hammer fist is about 85% hit which is pretty much the same as all of my other attacks.  Which is what lead me to believe that the -100% avoidance debuff wasnt working, otherwise that 85% would be higher (and much closer to 95%+).

For Harmo, Legendary Tiger stance does not increase crit chance about 10% of the time when I switch into that stance.  I've noticed that if I am not critting at all while in Legendary Tiger and then change to Immortal Crane, I crit 100% of the time.

Storm Stride + debuff move = no.  The damage component works, but any debuff from the move does not.

I'm with Sohbek on this. I mean. C'mon!