I can definitely say that the vyalp parser is pretty jacked up post GU5...for me anyway.  And that my dps is down a bit, but more from glitches in ability haste (understand that its not just bard and psi ability haste not stacking, there are glitches with them not taking effect period, so that's not just missing out on 20% its missing out on ability haste from BOTH).  Had problems with it again tonight.  Was working on some people sporadically but not others.  We think it may be an issue with meta mind but honestly are not sure.

Combine that with laggy play and yeah, you can get a serious dps redux.  Ever since GU5 raiding seems to beat the tar out of my system.  I'm running an 8800gt.  But my processor is a bit older and single core so I suspect it may be my bottle neck but without trying different processors its impossible to say for sure.

In either case, taking a caustic angle doesn't help these boards nor anyone else.  Chill the hostility, say your peice, back it up where you can and let it ride.  If you want to get personal that's what PMs are for.  If you don't think the recipiant will listen then its doublely fruitless to be emotionally upset in your writing.

Now lets see if we can keep from throwing little barbs subtle or otherwise eh? 

yea i agree to that ronm  its plain to see players running log parsers on other classes has become rampant on these boards the devs stated that monks will incurr a change but i belive there saying in apw mostly that other content will be looked at ect ect .

fuji very knowledgable with monk the  class he has 800 posts on these boards that date back at start of vanguard.

there lots of issues in apw concering dps and amount of it one bein the monk class which is effected by apw gear n buffs n macro's imho

the average  monk going into apw not gonna have the gear it should need... the dps is not gonna be there

i mean there nonthing nore heart breaking than to be benched from a top raid guild cause my lvl 50 doesnt have the hp  or
/tells that my lack of dps  is gonna get me booted.

so peeps comming on these boards defending the inc more change /nerf  what ever u wanna call it by attacking fuji and trying to discredit him ect is toatal bull crap.

up comming monks?? bring em all!!!!!!! fuji has over 800 post on these boards when he was lvl one  to lvl 50 on abilties n skills for all the monks styles they can search from

but wait i have a better idea let have a  #44 post veteran with a monk for a pet come in here and slam fuji because he cares bout his class and its his main and he put a lot work into it and on  this board.

better yet  we need play by play " i was drunk the night i walked into the room and there is was a post by fuji!!!! my blood began to boil !!!!!!as i read the forum i couldnt belive it!!!!!!!! that dang fuji  defending the monk class again!!!!!!!?

not this time fuji!!!!!!  im drunk im mad and im on there internet...look out!!!!!!!

lmao im the biggest greiver on these forums  got issues with whiners n cryers n greivers take   em up with me im the official  spokperson for  whiners n cryer.for the monk class .
any issues take em up with me plse "pm "me would be better im on your server in game would even be  nicer

but please all you hack jobs lay of fuji and stay clear these forum these forums are for monks we have our moments like any other class forums do ,were only human

P.S fuji!!!!!!!! i forbid you to adventure out side vanguard grass hoppa!!!!!!  re roll a char and put it on seradon server. :police

we will roll monks  :

you missed the whole point from the get go...

I had 0% (Z E R O) refresh haste the first night of GU5, because of a bug where psi refresh haste (temporal accelorance) doesnt always take hold.  Wheather it happens to you or not is irrelevant, entire guilds can reproduce the bug so its not a question of if it exists.   

I took off aum kor, because i was told that none of the refresh hastes stacked (with all 3 on i only had 25% so it seemed true) what i didnt know was that coda/temp accel werent stacking, and on top of that temp accel was adding 0%.  So losing 65% refresh haste was a big hit.  Thats the difference of thousand fists every 22 seconds vs every 60 seconds.

But all this has been said before, i assume you were either drunk or angry and just didnt feel like reading any of it.  All else considered attached below is an IN DEPTH description of how the loss of 20% refresh haste is easily a 30-40% drop in monk dps.   Are we still fine? yes, all other classes were effected equally by this change.  Do we still top the charts most of the time? Sure, unless youve got rogues with kota+zaraxx dagger, then good luck catching them.   Are we fine dps wise over all?  Yeah, certain fights are considerably harder now (x99 and kotasoth) since they were time based and their hps werent adjusted to compensate for the change, and as a result 6 min x99 fights now get dangerously close to the expiration timer (not just my guild, multiple guilds have reported this).  The fights are still doable (if you can get past the raid lag)...

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below is the description of refresh haste.   
For Drunken Monks: Thousand fist is a 4 hit finisher combo taking between 6-8 seconds to cast all 4 steps.  Each hit in a raid averages 15k, with critical averaging up to 22k.  Likewise the average critical rate of a raid mob is between 25 and 50%, but is difficult to parse authentically because most parsers don’t parse critical, and because other classes in the game have skills that make all your attacks critical for a small duration.   For the sake of arguments, well say 50% of all raid hits are critical.

So that 4 hit chain (with 50% critical) will do roughly 75k damage every 60 seconds. 
With 20% refresh haste from a bard OR psionocist, that becomes 75k damage every 48 seconds or 93k damage per minute.
With Bard + Psionocist, that took the skill to 75k dmg every 36 seconds, or  125k damage per minute.
With bard OR psionocist + aum kor, the skill is 75k dmg every 33 seconds, or 136k damage per minute.
With Bard + psionocist + aum kor, the skill went to 75k dmg every 21 seconds, or 214k damage a minute.


With game update 5, option 4 is no longer possible as bard and psionocist no longer stack.  This means the damage potential from Thousand fist went from 214k to 136k.  That’s a roughly a 37% drop in dps from one skill alone.  A skill that only added 20% refresh haste in fact lowered drunken monk dps by up to 37% on the high side.  So if a monk was parsing 6k before, they would go to 3.78-4k dps. 

Of course this takes a lot of assumptions.  It assumes you are not exploiting thousand fist to do 200k dmg hits.  It assumes you are not using Fist of celerity or Errant strike, and finally it assumes you have enough + % melee damage (or raw damage) to achieve at least the 15-22k hits.

The reason I don’t account for fist of celerity/errant strike is multi fold.  The first being that both skills went from being useable every 1min 45 seconds, to usable every  2 min 45 seconds.  Meaning before you could double the damage of a thousand fist chain every 4th set of thousand fist (aka 1 in 4 thousand fist chains would be triple damage) now its every 5th chain is trippled. 

What’s all that mumbo jumbo translate to?  Well there are 2 standard fights in the game at the moment, the 3 minute fight (most of entrance/library) and the 8 minute fights (kotasoth, zaygius, x99, fengrott etc). 

On a 3 minute fight you would be doing about 8 sets of thousand fists in the old system (75k each with every 4th doing triple, translating into 75 +75 +75 +225+ 75+ 75+ 75+ 225 = 900k dmg  from thousand fist alone.  Whereas now you would do 5 sets of thousand fist, with only 1/5 doing triple damage (aka: 75 + 75+ 75 +75 + 225= 525k damage. … that’s a drop of 42% total damage.

On a 8 minute fight you would be doing about 21 sets of thousand fists in the old system (16x75k + 5x225= 2.3 million.  Now you do 15 sets of thousand fists (12x75k +3x225k = 1.6 million damage)  that’s a drop of 30% total damage.

So the conclusion:  If you relied on large amounts of refresh haste, you lost between 30-40% dps from the fact bard/psi refresh haste no longer stack.  Sure its only a 20% loss in total refresh haste, but once you start doing the math, parsing, crunching numbers etc… it’s a bit more.    Translation: if you were a 6k dps drunken monk before hand, your most likely at 4.2k average now.    Remember this is all just with one skill (the thousand fist finisher line) add in the other 20seconds of double damage after you finish the thousand fist line and it adds up pretty darn quickly.   

On a side note: Basement trash mobs are the hardest mobs in the game.   If you haven’t fought an ancient juggernaut then let me tell you first hand, they are considerably harder, both in their damage and their mitigation/evasion.