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Fujitsu
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Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 05, 2008, 09:15:29 AM »
Not sure who is still left and raids, but i felt gu5 pretty hard.
Coda+psi buff + aum kor used to stack and reduce 1 min attacks to about 20s reuse.
Now none stack and half the time the psi buff doesnt work if i had aum kor on and cancle one or the other. Also 1 min attacks are now 43s at the fastest now, and 47s on average.
In turn my average dps went from 5-6k (no dmg exploits since i dont know them) to about 1.7-3.3k.....my hits are still the same, thousand fist lands for about 20-35k. Just instead of every 17s its every 47.
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Xenophon
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 05, 2008, 01:27:06 PM »
Ahhhh, now that makes more sense to me, now. I couldn't figure out why you were able to do 5-6k dps and I could only manage around 2 - 2.5k. I guessed that it had mostly to do with gear, seeing as I only have a few pieces from the entrance wing, but it still didn't seem like gear would increase dps by that much. It makes sense now, because I've not had psi buffs and bard song at the same time before and I can definately see hitting thousand fists every 20s instead of every 45s making a huge difference.
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Xenophon
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Fujitsu
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 05, 2008, 03:00:33 PM »
Its multy fold, but yes, thousand fist x4 every 20 seconds was 90% of my dps, because it took 8 seconds to do all 4 hits, and then only 12 seconds until i could do it again.
That along with the 5 piece armor bonus that lets us proc fist of celerity is how i did most of my dps.
Little things i did for more dps was maxing int instead of dex, in a raid i never have issues with cits so the 20% bonus for 900 dex was worthless. After removing all dex and putting it into int, my secret of flame went from 1100 dmg to 2600 ish dmg. I lost maybe 5% crit for doing that (still get to 700 raid buffed dex, 1200 str, and 900 int) so the net effect was moot.
Aum kor + bard coda + psi refresh haste was huge.
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Fujitsu
Sensei
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #3 on:
June 05, 2008, 03:01:48 PM »
On a side note, the drunken middle stance (10% refresh haste) stacks with aum kor and takes thousand fist to 37 sec reuse, but you gain 20% more agro and lose 22% dmg per hit, i didnt enjoy it that much ;-p
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Murugan
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 09, 2008, 04:35:56 PM »
Still parse above 5k 90% of all boss fights, according to your guild's parser fujitsu (which I finally got to work) not sure what you are doing wrong.
Maybe it is your GRAYSTONE STAFF!!!
My setup:
Drunken monk, use offensive stance the entire time. With 2 molds, legions choking grasp, my masterwork staff, and 6 pieces of crafted.
http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/characters.vm?characterId=64424558158
< my gear (don't laugh, I pass most stuff to members)
Not pictured is the legions choking grasp, and striking wrap I use the majority of the time (or masterwork depending on the day and when they uploaded to vgplayers). I also use a damage rune before every boss fight.
My unbuffed thousand fists hit for 10-30k, my buffed hit for 35k+ (highest 900+, average around 70k if I hit the timing right they can be over 100/200k regularly), I use quickening jolt over frenzy my palm explodes the heart is pretty stable at 200-300k, highest 450k that I have seen.
Macroed crescent kick and staggering punch into ashen hand, boundless fist, and /reactionautochain macros. Unbuffed 540 STR, 310 INT (I have only capped str once, never gotten above 750 int). I always stack errant strikes and fists of celerity. Masterwork devastation staff is macroed in for thousand fist and palm explodes the heart, and use hand to hand the rest of the time for secret damage/crit. I try to limit myself to 4 FD's a fight if possible. I time 5 min abilities with the rest of my guild, but other than that I dont know what I could be doing that you aren't, even two box healing on my bear shaman I will top out near or at 4k, but I don't parse 1.7k even solo or tossing shuriken and am in the mid 3k range in 6 man groups farming named for plat coins.
During a fight I'll generally lead off with crescent kick>boundless fist, then go into my exploding heart chain. I'll fd after exploding heart, then go into the thousand fist chain followed by my ashen hand macro and then FD again once my ES wears off. While waiting for my 5 min's to refresh I use ashen fist > thousand fist > Divine Typhoon>Drunken Palm. I never use flying kick, and spam my ashen hand macro when the other three chains are not available or if I'm running high on jin otherwise I'll use boundless fist (which hits for 12-20k generally). I also never use jin surge, saving all my jin for ES/ Fists of Celerity and mostly Ashen Hand.
According to xanadu's parser staggering punch is my money maker with the highest % of my damage, followed by thousand fist chain (combined), palm explodes the heart, secret of flames, Ashen Hand, etc. down the line.
My guild raids with full buffs from all classes/styles currently but war cleric, and wolf shaman (though we are working on boxed chars specifically for buffing for these).
If I had to guess I would say your guild is missing some buffs, did you lose any class to AoC or something that might be causing it?
Also are you parsing the fight or is someone else, I noticed large discrepancies between my self parses using xanadu/pain's parser and a guild mate using vg log parser for my damage (though I haven't noticed any changes to combat log) during a 12 person archon fight. Though it could be just an isolated incident (the person does not usually parse)
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Ronmaru
Grandmaster
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Posts: 113
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #5 on:
June 09, 2008, 09:11:43 PM »
did vyalp get updated to GU5?
Was broken last I tried...
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Murugan
Master
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Posts: 59
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #6 on:
June 09, 2008, 10:06:02 PM »
Well it never worked for me before, and now it does. They must have done something.
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Fujitsu
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #7 on:
June 10, 2008, 08:15:19 AM »
yalp hasnt been updated in over a month, if you couldnt work it before it was your own fault. It hasnt been updated for gu5 yet because the man who makes it is in europe on vacation.
--> Murugan, the funny man<-- Your so funny ha ha, i dont have a greystone staff. I use legions choking grasp + shoruls claws (had to have a gm reset my skill since for some reason it was doing less then t5 striking handwraps).
I have 1200 str, and 900 int raid buffed, 6 pieces of class gear, lvl 4 griffon neck and more toys then i can shake sticks at. So go play your silly lil childs games with someone else, and have fun after the melee revamp.
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Murugan
Master
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #8 on:
June 10, 2008, 05:25:14 PM »
Then maybe you are just a liar, like when you said you couldn't break 20k (then edited it to 30 or 40k) on thousands fists yet were parsing 6k "easily".
My guess is you are one of those people who whines about your class so no one thinks you are OP, or maybe just because you like to whine.
I will have fun with GU6, finally I'll be able to compete for the top of dps charts because of my makeup and skill and not because of my broken class.
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Ronmaru
Grandmaster
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Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 10, 2008, 09:20:52 PM »
Quote from: Fujitsu on June 10, 2008, 08:15:19 AM
yalp hasnt been updated in over a month, if you couldnt work it before it was your own fault. It hasnt been updated for gu5 yet because the man who makes it is in europe on vacation.
You misunderstand, its been broken for me since GU5. Was working peachy prior to.
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Fujitsu
Sensei
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Posts: 847
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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June 11, 2008, 08:17:54 AM »
/yawn flame on murugan. Doesnt effect me in the least, you've called me a liar enough times that i know your just childish and not to take you seriously.
Ron... ill talk to hist about it, but hes in europe still so it might be a bit. the log files have drasticlly changed since gu5. we are still able to parse but we get funny read outs.
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Ronmaru
Grandmaster
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Posts: 113
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #11 on:
June 11, 2008, 04:31:47 PM »
Yeah its unfortunately messed up enough after GU5 that I just don't feel I can rely on the results. Thanks for keeping on it. Its my fav. of the different parsers available.
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Murugan
Master
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Posts: 59
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #12 on:
June 11, 2008, 05:15:28 PM »
I don't care if you take me seriously, I just want other people to realize that you are full of it.
I used to respect what I thought was dedication to the class, and maybe that is what you are doing by trying to somehow prevent us from getting nerfed in your mind (which is not going to happen, because the devs are aware of the issue and have seen it first hand so no amount of denial on your part is gonna change that). But it doesn't necessarily help new monks for you to come to this board or to ffxiplayers and spread all this false information.
Iron hand giving 350 damage, fist of celerity causing a global cool down, your complete misunderstanding of how flat damage buffs affect our abilities, and now you claiming that you actually
ever
parsed 1.7k. I mean you are so transparent it is pathetic, you are a liar.
There is no way you parse 1.7k, I don't have to use any chains to parse above 3k I can spam my one button boundless fist macro all night and parse well above 3k while two boxing and main healing on my shaman. I can and have fought naked and parsed above 3k, I know necro pets that parse better than 1.7k. Admit that you are a liar and maybe I'd leave it alone, but if not then maybe someone should tell your elite raiding guild that they should find a replacement since 1.7k is pathetic for a raiding monk, especially one with all your gear.
If you are going to manufacture numbers to try and sway opinion back in our favor maybe try a little harder, I doubt anyone who has raided with you or another drunken monk would believe those numbers.
For a short time these forums were a source of good information, some of it even posted by you unfortunately since the melee fix was announced it has quickly regressed into a useless pile of whiny posts (also mainly posted by you) and I wouldn't forward even the most clueless noobie monk here for information.
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Fujitsu
Sensei
Karma: +23/-20
Posts: 847
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #13 on:
June 12, 2008, 08:16:43 AM »
/yawn still at it?
1) i said i parse 1.7-3.3k now, which is true call me a liar if you want but you have no way to prove me wrong, so again thats you being a troll.
2)long story short, i sat at 3 entire raids with 1 min refreshes on thousand fist with no damage exploiting, so yes i did see parses as low as 1.7k (temp accel doesnt work, and bards already took coda out... and i was told aum kor was causing stacking issues, which at first glance it looks like cause with aum kor + temp accel i only got the haste from aum kor, so i just droped it and was using aum ti)
3) like ive said yalvp hasnt been updated since gu4, and now our secret damage no longer parses correctly because the damage has changed. Yalvp is very finiky and only reads exact/specific lines of text, it was coded this way back before fist of celerity/errant fist were fixed, because if not, then it would show MASSIVELY inflated dps like most parsers did.
4) The current issue with hitching due to buffs is a royal pain, even with commenting out of extra buff windows i still hitch alot, so like other monks states hitching is an issue, specially when it comes to not pealing tanks.
You talk a lot of SNARF for not backing any of it up, lets see a 3k parse with no finishers please. Post/mail me the log file and well see just who is full of SNARF. I can have any of our officers log on here and post what our dps numbers have been like since gu5. Until we knew that Temporal accelorance was bugged most of the raid was down 30%-50% dps. With bard coda + meta mind, its back to being in the 4-5k range, aum kor still stacks with refresh haste so i still sit at 30sec refresh on thousand fist which is more then enough to get me past the 4k limit on average fights.
If you want to keep personally attacking me go for it, but you have no facts, and no way to prove me wrong. Lets see some pics/logs/parses to prove that i really didnt do 1.7k dps on a majority of fights with 0 % refresh haste,... can you produce one for me? Nope cause you dont raid wit us, you dont parse with us, you just talk a lot of SNARF.
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Ronmaru
Grandmaster
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Posts: 113
Re: Gu5 - dps - refresh haste
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Reply #14 on:
June 12, 2008, 05:04:11 PM »
I would definitly concur that the hiting and laggy preformance post GU5 has severly impacted a lot of our DPS mine included. Can't actually chain attacks smoothly at all. Lots of delays...quite annoying.
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