lol little sarcastic arent we puller ;-p

i just hope they nerf errant strikes. i know i said the "N" word about other monks, but this one ability is causing way too many problems and is resulting in all monks getting the nerf bat. if drunken is sposed to be the "tanking" monk then they should have the lowest dps, not the highest in the game by such a huge margin.

Siago your post didn't seem to make any sense?  How would a monk tanking group content = devs wanting to nerf their DPS on raids?

while monks cannot (and IMO should not be able to) function as main-tanks in the high end game we are already utilizing our monks for off-tanks on trash mobs if we are short on defensive fighters. i'd like to see this option for drunken monks strengthened by giving them one or two tricks to increase short term survivability. would also be nice to get agro management tools increased.

i picked my drunken monk for his ability to get and hold agro and being able to off/ tank if needed. that i can switch role is what i like about the style. i dont want to lose this to some dps flavour or to some buffing ability. least of all i want to give it up for agro feeding the tank. while this may grant me a spot in the raid, it wouldnt have much value in the everyday group content and be completely worthless when soloing. when the other styles bring dps and debuffing, which are equally useful no matter if solo, group or raid, drunken style should be equally viable and not only for raids. higher survivability could be just that.

the comparison with the pally is a bit off IMO. hate and agro abilities are common and basic tools for defensive fighters. what is discussed here is not the core of the monk class, but the special flavour we want drunken monks to have. so if we want to compare tanks and monks we would have to look at the flavour of the class and not the core. for the pally the flavour would lie mostly in his healing abilities which again would exectly reflect what i wish for my drunken monk with some extra survivability tools.

but i wouldnt mind different agro managing abilities either. i just dont see how one would exclude the other. why not get both, a hate increasing or shifting skill that i can also use to rise my own agro AND some additional skills that allows me to increase my survivability for a short to medium duration.

I come to think that it would fit the role for Drunken's to be able to jump into the tanking role for a certain time when the tank's fallen. Give them an ability to snap aggro and tank even raidmobs for ... let's say 1 minute? In that time the MT should be up again and buffed to a certain degree.

agreed fuj

Much of it depends on how you look at tanking really.

IMO drunken monks only need to have a bit more solid aggro to be very solid group tanks in their current form.

Fixes and hate transfer abilities would in effect make their ability to hold aggro concrete which is what tanking is all about assuming you can reliably soak the damage.  With the right gear a drunk monk currently can already take the hits pretty well.  A few tweaks would finish the job there and I suspect those tweaks would be primarily taken care of anyway when the devs go over monk stances in general.

To me it "seems" like you want a large boost to their survivability over what they have now.  I feel that would be less effective in helping drunken monk compared to being able to manipulate aggro to a significant degree.  Both in terms of tanking in group roles and for being more useful when not in a tanking role both in group and raids.

(side note if you know the tanks then you know that pallies "specilize in rescues" they get far more and far more options for them vs. the other tanks.  Much like the idea of giving drunken monks special aggro manipulation beyond the simple ones all monks get etc. thus the comparison to pallies earlier.)