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Gang
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Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 08:32:52 AM »
I have been reading posts by Fusoya and his friends saying they get 200k hits and thats its easily repoduceable etc. Im a level 50 drunken monk. I raid. I feel I maximize every drop of damage I can from my class and yet for some reason I have NEVER see a crit above 50k EVER. That includes using errant strikes and fists of celerity. Raid buffed im well over 900 strength. And yes we parse every raid. I am usually number 1 or 2 DPS wise for the raid. But its not from spikey damage its from sustained DPS in the 3500-4200dps range. I can bring numbers if you need them. Something you, Fusoya havent done.
So you saying it happens easily and that you can solo trash APW mobs isnt enough Im sorry. Post a video. Or at least describe what you are doing to reach these numbers. Then we can analyze where the problem is for ourselves.
You saying that you have identified the bug and and are recommending changes on our behalf scares the crap out of me. Up until your appointment to class lead Id never heard of you or seen you post here to discuss issues. The few supporters you have are your friends or guildies etc. This does not prove your credibility or that of your ideas/explanations.
So post details. Post a video of you or one your friends killing an APW trash mob in "5 or 6" hits and I'll start to believe you.
You keep saying theres a bug. You say it makes us overpowered. Ive yet to see any proof of it from you. None.
You saying so its good enough
Respectfully
Gang
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Fujitsu
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 09:22:17 AM »
At this point proof is irrelevant. They will nerf everyone to do the same dps no matter what. I still cant reproduce the thits myself and i still parse in the 5k+ range so I just accept that their are buffs/debuffs they arent mentioning, and said buffs/debuffs are the key factor.
I personally dont beleive a drop of the reason behind the nerf, or the whole "skills are having + damage added for each effect (stun, dmg, jin) etc." To me I see exactly how the damage is added, straight to the melee damage, and modified from there. But at the same time it doesnt matter, because they will change the system to how they see fit, nerfing everything and claiming its a bug, not matter what we post. About now the only thing that would stop it is if silius, taliksar, tiraslee, and Phanthom all got fired and replaced.
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Gang
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 10:36:20 AM »
Be that as it may I still want to see numbers. I want to know what sequence of skills used to produce the 200k hits every min and 28 secs. Again I want to see them solo an APW trash mob in 5 to 6 hits. Make a video. Until then Im dubious.It sounds like we have an apologist as a class lead. I dont want to be homgonized into melee DPS, interchangeable with rogues.rangers and bards. I do one thing, DAMAGE , thats it.
Gang
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Jarr
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 01:15:57 PM »
Iv never been able to produce a 200k pure hit but i have done 230k combined in under a minute raid buffed and on a raid debuffed X99 dunno if this helps at all
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii71/Jarr42/ScreenShot_00072.jpg[/img]]
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Thorius
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 03:37:36 PM »
i can do alot of total dmg but i dont get those big hits. The monk dont get % based attack we get multiple attacks. Why wouldnt it apply to all those attack i mean it even says its suppose to. To me it sounds like they want it to add like if u hit a mob 3 times it wants the modifier added to the total dmg that the 3 hits did not added to each hit.
i still claim its just a nerf and they dont want to say nerf due to low numbers the game is drawing already
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Fusoya
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 03:46:38 PM »
Here's some stuff I put together real quick. Don't have too many screenshots, but here's a couple.
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm151/iamatoaster08/dmg.jpg
The top scenario (Dynamo x-92) is my damage rating without max str and missing a few buffs, but still over 6250 between main and off hand.
The Fengrot screenshot is the most recent.
And the Vicus one isn't the best but still fun.
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm151/iamatoaster08/parsedmg-1.jpg
This is my damage parse on a Kotasoth kill. Not sure if you can see it clearly but the top damages are...
- Yellow - Fusoya - 5,094,909
- Green - #1 Rogue - 3,616,877
- Pink - Harmonious Monk - 3,345,852
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm151/iamatoaster08/parsedps.jpg
This is the DPS charts for the Kotasoth kill from the damage parse above.
- Yellow - Fusoya - 6931
- Green - #1 Rogue - 4920
- Pink - Harmonious Monk - 4552
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Jarr
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 04:13:26 PM »
I see that kind of damage on Vicus when he drops his guard but still
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gang
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 10, 2008, 04:38:10 PM »
Vicus as we know is irrelevant because everyone does crazy damage during rallying cry. However Im not disputing we can do good sustained damage. like i said im moderatly raid equipped and on my best day im at around 4500 dps over the course of a raid. BUT I never hit for over 50k in one crit and I surely cannot solo an APW trash mob and defintely not in 5-6 hits as you claim.
Like I said , Id like to see video on this or comprehensive screen shots.
Showing me multiple hits at 23k strung together is what monks should be doing that are well geared. Its our job.
Its not like we hit for 23k every punch. Most of my crits are around 10-13k with an occasional 20k hit. I am drunken monk also. Even fighting the Pharoah and activating errant strikes , fist of celerity and jot 10 secs into the fight I dont pull off numbers like that.
So once again I ask what strikes or combos are you using to garner this kind of supposed "uber" damage. Im not seeing it. And I really wanna know what strikes you use to solo an APW trash mobs in 5-6 hits .
Thanks in advance
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Hiko
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 01:14:58 AM »
Come on try and look at the big picture ones in a while.
I don't know Fusoya more than you, but what I do know is that online games is a huge industry, where big cash is at stake. Do You honestly belive that soe, the devs and every ones else involve would spent time, resources ect. in working close with some random 2.ed rank gamer?
Ofc. they whant the best, and as fare as the supporters of Fusoya himself, I belive they are the filthy few who actually love VG, and is able to look beyound the "me,me,me" thing.
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Gang
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 06:31:52 AM »
What Fusoya is saying may be true. Im not doubting his veracity or skill as a gamer. Howerver, its one thing to make claims and call them facts and another to have proof of what you are saying. This will be a monumental change to our abilities and viability on raids and in groups. Its not alot to ask to for some concrete proof. I was in APW last nite and I can tell you that I cant solo trash mobs there. Much to the amusement of my guildmates.
We as a community are trying to fathom these impending changes. For Fusoya to downplay our concerns with no evidence other than his say so is frankly not good enough.
Gang
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Draxs
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 08:51:38 AM »
You mean his and my say so, cause I have said repeatedly that our drunken monk hits well over 200k+ and can do it multiple times durring a x99 fight. He posts over 12k dps on 99.
Even as a Dragon monk I do over 7k on 99 and I don't even use quickening jolt, I use frenzied.
It is very, very simple to see what is caising the gap in DPS. Wether it is a bug or was orginally intended but now revisted once they realized it is just to hard to get a handle on DPS with it in it's current form is irrelivant. It is the right thing to do, the changes will allow them to have more refined control over the damge being done to raid mobs.
And IMO a post calling out our Class lead is in poor taste. You could have easily just posted "I have been trying to reproduce the 200k+ hits and the soloing of trash mobs in APW but have not been able to. Can anyone please post either logs, a video or screenshots of them doing it?"
There is no conspiracy theory happening here, these changes need to be made. Two monks should not be the same as having 4-6 other DPS classes.
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Draxs
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Gang
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 09:57:43 AM »
Please try to stay on point. Im trying to understand why you and our class lead feel we do too much damage ot how this happens. In your last post Draxs you say you can sustain 7k dps..and yer drunken monk 12k. Once a again you SAY that. I dont see you listing what abilities you are using to reach that damage.You say its very very simple to see whats causing the gap in DPS. Oh really? I dont see it. Cuz I cant reproduce it no matter what I try.Raid buffed im well over 900 strength and use an array of good weapons.
I dont see any logs or a video or screenshots. I want specifics please. ie: boundless fist crescent kick fist of celerity etc etc. What sequence of abilities do you use to hit for over 200k ever 2 mins. Ive yet to see any concrete proof in the form of data other than now your and Fusoyas' says so. Im sorry thats not good enough.
I want to understand this. I want to take it apart and analyze it so I can speak intelligently about it. I may see your evidence and agree wholeheartedly. But until this bug/issue is explained so the rank and file monk can reproduce it and understand it, its just words.
I am not "calling out" our class lead. Its his job to answer questions and help the community understand changes he is proposing or those that the devs have communicated. Ive yet to hear Fusoya complain about this. He's a big boy Im sure he can stand up for himself.
So Draxs and Fusoya how bout some real evidence.
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Monk01
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 10:01:06 AM »
In these games dating back to EQ its always the fast attacks that equal the most dps "Moss Covered Twig" anyone? Its easy to see that the mechanic could very well be broken especially with raid level buffs.
It seems that the damage everyone is getttng is based upon the buffs and skill combination and not just the skill. How about looking at the buffs and not the skills. If a monk cant pump out this type of damage alone, well then as they say "it takes two to tango"
It could be and probably is a buff stacking issues and its just easier to redesign the combat system than the buff system.
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Gang
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 10:57:36 AM »
Thats why Im asking for in depth information. If I can duplicate the sequence of abilites and not get the same results then it has to be something else. I think Fujitsu brought up (when this first came out) that it might be an issue of buff stacking but that was quickly quashed.
So those of you getting 200k crits and soloing APW mobs in 5 or 6 hits please tell us the abilities you use and in what order. I will go to APW soon as you do it and test it.
If I and other monks cant duplicate it then we can look at gear and buffs and see how they come into play.
Just assuming its +flat damage being the culprit is a bit premature.
We need to break this all down. Heck go into APW naked wearing just a weapon and no buffs and see what kinda crits you pull off and what yer DPS is. Then add yer gear and repeat. Then remove the gear and get raid buffed and repeat. Then wear yer gear and get buffed and repeat.
This could be done in a couple of hours and actually give us real data to work with.
I really dont want to be adjusted in GU6 only to find out that it was buff stacking and not +flat damage. At the rate they fix stuff itd be GU9 before they could refix us.
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Ellan Wu
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Re: Im sorry I need proof Fusoya
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May 11, 2008, 11:16:17 AM »
Sorry for posting it but ...
In EQ all monks community was nerfed (famous monk mitigation nerf) based on top 1% of monks. That was bad decision and for SoE took few years to revert it. SoE told to us - the nerf not going to affect most of monks, but those 1% of monks. In fact, biggest hit was for mid and low level monks. Top monks stay where they was before the nerf.
Now, in VG, I really really hope I'm not going to be nerfed based on input from 1% of monk community (not sure about numbers, may be we are talking about 5-10 monks total). I probably mid level monk ( we raid Entry wing in APW). I'm afraid after the nerf I'll move to middle of DPS table, where top geared monks will stay where they was before - at top. And yet again SoE will miss a target.
But of course it's just my assumptions.
Sorry again to be negative.
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