This wasn't a combat feature developers were completely aware of, it was not their idea to use it as an excuse to nerf monks and rogues. I approached them with the bug and what I thought were the causes.

It's fun but Monks should not be able to solo trash mobs in APW in 4-5 swings. Impossible to balance that compared to other classes.

We will be doing testing on exactly how much this lowers our ability damage, its not meant to drop us below any other class currently. After these changes Monk and Rogues still be top raid dps...until class balancing goes in. They may decide to release it all in 1 patch. Regardless the abilities will be tested before the class balancing occurs, even if it is released in the same patch.

If the way the Thousand Fist line is coded doesn't allow it to compete with other classes finishers, we'll change the ability to be more in line with its intended damage.

This is in fact a bug fix, the game cannot be balanced with mechanics that are broken so severely. I don't want to see monks drop in damage either, but I realized it's something that needs to be done for the benefit of the game. If the bug wasn't found and fixed, we would more than likely see a flat % damage reduction to all of our abilities and end up having to experience a revamp every time levels / content / gear / buffs / mobs / abilities / anything changed.

This bug fix hurts me probably more than anyone else, because I knew what was happening and could maximize my damage as a result. Defining this bug helped save the majority of the monk community a huge damage reduction, by pinpointing the problems and just adjusting the broken components. In theory, yes Iron Fist and all monks would be affected, but coding is not always as the tool tips read, and yes the developers have the ability to set order of operations. If they want to leave Iron Fist in the Thousand Fist mechanic, they can do so. Personally I'd like to stay at the top of the DPS list and intend to, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. We will remove the bug, adjust our damage to fit what the norm is right now (monks not using the extreme amount of modifications) and then worry about class balancing and adjusting our damage to fit the trend line.

post a vid of you soloing an apw mob and then ill believe it....

Flat damage is added to melee damage, so in a raid if i have 3000 melee damage thats with all the +flat damage added in.  Thats where the real problem is, not in skills that are 300% weapon damage.   The fact that we get the +flat damage added into our regular melee damage makes the hits large.

The flat damage is added 1x to your melee damage, and is then multipled by 3 for thousand fist, and then by 2 for each additional + damage buff.  If you use all 3, then yes the + damage ends up being (3 +3 +3 )*2  So that +200 damage is ending up as + 4000 damage.

The way melee damage works is it already has the % damage modifers in it.  So thousand fist really is as simple as (3000+155)*3    That includes flat damage AND damage modifiers (which dont apply to flat damage)

And yes that was an actual parse of my 60k hit with each of the parts broken down. 

Being as i didnt have war/paladin buffs for either of those attempts id have to assume people hitting for 120-200k are getting those buffs, and that they are most likely the real couprit

Sung,

Everyone has their opinions some bear out others don't. You coming on these forums and double posting the same posts as the OVF is not specifically needed. Most understand that the changes will be implemented and are trying to get to the root of the issues. While you may be "in the know" you are not a member of the dev team or the monk class lead and as such your posts no matter how well informed are only opinion. Rest assured that all reading these forums are reading the OVF as well.

You can and most likely will continue to do as you want but know that you are fostering not open discourse but resentment  and bad will in more than a few eyes. These forums are Monk specific and while open to all are focused on Monks and Monk issues. To have another class come in and tell the population here how the Monk class is to be played and how our skills work rubs a lot the wrong way. As a proponent of these changes you coming here and posting is akin to kicking someone while they are down.



Just a bit of insight for you, do with it as you will.

i agree with you hak. Its a flat out nerf and they are just trying to justify it to the players.

The devs have stated their vision.

Sorc top caster DPS and top overall DPS.

Rogue top Melee DPS
Monk Second Melee DPS.

In the end it will be this way, we will be one of the top DPS classes.

The bug fix is glarringly obvious to those of us that see it nightly in raid enviorments. I personally saw over a 300k hit lastnight on Malazath, and this hit wasn't alone it was accompanied by several 150K+ hits right infront of and behind it.

They will fix the bug and see where our DPS stands once it is corrected.

Remember as I have posted many times I do over 7k DPS on pretty much all bosses and I am a Dragon monk. I do not even have erran fists and I dont use quickening jolt I stick with Frenzy (simply cause I'm busy with stuff and dont want to micro manage yet another clicky).

I only have the single thousand fits/thundering fist chain with only those two abilities, so no errant strikes and no quickening jolt and I can still get over 7k dps, so rest easy in that while our numbers will dimisnish they are not going to drop to an undesired level. And if they do, they will adjust out damage skills to put us where they desire us to be, second highest melee DPS, which is pretty good in my personal opinion.