Maybe our new raiding class leader can let us know how bad this is going to be?

This is a post from the rogue class leader ...

"As i am sure a few of you have seen on the official forums the whole debate of melee power. Yes the devs are looking into melee dps now that they have nearly completed the vast majority of the revamps for classes.

As a base unbuffed we are fine on dps but its when we are fully raid buffed is where there devs are looking at we are to high. Nothing is final on what is being done with it. the devs are still working on things and none of these changes will be rolled out for a while. The class leads will be going back in for dps testing again.

For the rogues we are not far off base its not going to be a major adjustment. When its all said and done as i have always stated. Rogues will be number 1 in melee dps. Please dont confuse that with overall every class, its only in melee dps. I know there are those of you that dont agree with that. But thats always been the vision if you can call it the vision. Talisker knows we have to have high dps for our class thats why it will only be a minor adjustment.

When i have full details of what the plan is i will let you guys know but for now its way to early in the ordeal to know for sure."


"Well there not going to touch any of our skills. they found a bug , +flat damage buffs are only supposed to be applied one time for each attack
Instead they are being applied to each effect within an attack. In the case of Shank/Shiv + Quickblade it is being added 4x for each attack
which is causing the dmg spike, Monks are getting it added 9x per attack.

This bug effects Rogues, Monks, Paladins and Tuurgins."

yeah thats pretty lame. I kick for 2k with flying kick and theres hardly any cooldown....

Rogues have totally different formulas for everything, as most of our finishers are still melee + X as opposed to 300% weapon / 400% weapon like other melee classes. You can't understand Iron Hands' usefulness without discussing our damage formulas, based on melee damage + X. Aren't we supposed to be the kings of sustained DPS, anyway? And isn't a formula of melee dmg + X representative of that flat damage scale without big spikes? Either they scrap that idea and uniformise the formulas across the board for melee and ranged to all have 300% or 400% weapon damage + X, or they think about it and come up with a rational "fix" for once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Thousand fists is the ONLY finisher that uses the 300/400% formula, and it's on a minute reuse timer. Like Rogues, Rangers and Bards don't have 6k abilities that can be used every minute. Keep it real.

And to finish it off... I really don't see why Rogues should be the masters of melee damage. Monks have nothing else to offer, but Rogues do. We should be dealing equal DPS, more or less.

I call bluff on this one, too. The reason Rogues and Monks are about where they should be and the others aren't is simple: aggro management. No more, no less. Fix other classes' aggro and you'll see similar damage numbers.

a rogue can force so much more hate then us and they still get alot of agro reducers. On raids I hardly ever see a rogue get agro. A monk cant really pull APW without another FD class so if they are going to put us lower in dps what function are we going to serve. I just dont see this going well for the monk. If they fix mobs to were they dont instantly run back and reset and the monk can be considered a viable puller then i wouldnt mind a small cut in dps.

I think it goes without saying but that post cant come soon enough :-p

I personally would have liked it to have been posted weeks ago when they first found the bugs so when posts started to appear about the melee re-balance, it wouldn't have been 2 weeks of ZOMG we will be nerfed,

Im very interested to see these so called bugs.  Who knows they may be actual bugs but I hold the rite to comment further till i see them ;-p

I think its wrong for rangers to ever be ahead of us in the dps area.
Rangers can buff thier groups with at least 3 raid benifical buff types,spot heal any player,range dps better then monks and already get better Itemization via weapons and overall gear drops(ie they dont share 80 pct of drops with a healer type)
To give rangers all of that and then out dps us i think is a slap in the face to all monks. Sure we can pull better(though it really takes 2 monks to do this properly and be efficiant.
Just my 2 cents

Rogues and Monks will be the highest melee damage, followed closely by Rangers.

Keep in mind the highest DPS class will change constantly based on the encounter. No one class is going to be hands down highest DPS every fight.

An update regarding the post...
We are still waiting for the final approval before it goes up. I was hoping it would be in by Friday night, but I'm going to try and make sure it goes up Monday. I think most of you will be fairly relieved after reading it.

Im just wondering, if bards will have their dps nerfed.  Because if we are being brought withing their dps range, and they keep all the utility , theres no need for rogue/monk over bard ;-p

just a thought, since people keep saying bards dps is where it should be, but only rogue/monks dps is being lowered ;-p  I dont see it as too fun to be the same dps as a bard who can do so much more:-p  I know we should still be top, but ill be suprissed if whats planed actually ends up working out correctly the first time ;-p