Not quite true Kivik.  Before GU4 we used 0-1 rogues and 1-2 monks on Kota.  In order to get him down this time, we had to recruit another rogue and use 3 monks total = 1-2 rogues and 2-3 monks.  As a result, we had to sit out 3 classes who's DPS wasn't on par with the monk / rog in order to kill him.  That wasn't a stab at you man, sorry if you took it as such.   Trinity, BoW and Pain all had issues with their rosters, and in order to beat the new Kota we had to ramp up our DPS even more than before. 

I just wish he could post his explanation heh, still waiting on dev approval.  I got to proof read it, and it explains the issues in detail.  once you all see it a lot of people will be doing a 180 and saying "Holy SNARF, I had no idea". 

Who are you referring to using BM exploit to beat Kota? I only know of three guilds post gu4 to beat him 2 of those 3 are yours and mine. I assume you are not referring to your own guild so I was just wanting to make sure you were not referring to my guild.

I can honestly say I swear to GOD I don't even know what you are talking about.

I have often said that our guild is the worst test guild ever when it comes to finding exploits, I guess we just don't think along those lines and our memebers know better than to even propose an exploit if they thought of one.

Our only BM is Luper and she is imvaluable to us. I can't even imagine what possible exploit you can use that requires sedning in one of your best healers to die to the mob can possibly be.

So just for the record we didn't and have never used any exploit to beat any mobs, much less important mobs like Kota or Feng. In fact, not using what was a known exploit (necros healing from g4) was one of the many bugs that cost us to lose the WWF on Kota.

You see, we didn't exploit the bug even though we knew about it, we actually used our necro in the raid which in the end was the thing that kept crashing the zone on us.

Our necro was using a skin graft, the zarkin mummy looking one. It procs alifetap ability whenever the pet takes damage or is hit it heals itself for a small amount.

Well, 50% Kota put his buff up that is reactive to striking it with melee. You strike kota and you get the debuff. Well the pet would hit kota causing the debuff to proc on the pet cauing the lifetap which causes the heal... see where I'm going.. it was a loop error which within a matter of seconds was crashing the chunk.

So by not being like some guilds (no names) and playing fairly and not looking for or using known exploit we lost the WWF on Kota, but hey, 45 minutes later we killed it the right way.

So in the future please don't be so presumptious as to assume Brotherhood of the Spider uses any exploits. Wether we come in first, second or dead last you can bet your ass we did it the right way.

I'm one of three that runs our raids. I can assure that whatever you saw in some video your making assumptions that are incorrect. We didn't use any exploits nor has Luper ever ran up and died to Kota before we fought him.

I so often hold back and just bite my tongue, partialy because it's our guild policy and also because I believe in being above defending myself and or my guild, but this kind of stuff pisses me off. We bust our asses doing things the right way and all it takes is someone randomly thinking they know something to publicly bring all of our hardwork into question.

As far as our inability to debug a situation.. wow.. so, let me explain to you that Kota had a total of 3 bugs making him unkillable.

1. His AE breath was not checking properly. It took us 1 day to figure out what it was doing and 1 week for the devs to correct it. What it was doing was chekcing it's POSSIBLE total damage versus your CURRENT hp, if your CURRENT hp was lower you would intantly be killed. What it was supposed to do was simply do it's damage to you minus your absortion plus the neck buff absorption. So basicaly what we had was anyone under 8k HP at the time of any of his breath attakcs were instantly dying. (yeah, our fault totaly)

2. His AE's were all too large, making it damn near impossible to keep any casters alive and his doom was bugged. I will not go into specifics on the doom cause I can't figure out how to explain how it was bugged and not give away the strat on how to solve it. And as you know I do not give out anything even remotely related to strats. (another week goes by while we wait for correction) .. (Once again, yeah our fault totaly)

3. week 3, we start crashing immidiately after 50%. Avarem says it's a bug to the ability he puts up and comes to watch us crash him about 3 times at 50% on live. A few days later he asks us to come to test so we can try and help him figure out what is going on with the mob (he has more tools available to him on test to analyze whats happening). After a full night of testing he tells it's a loop error but he thinks he knows whats causing it is but is going to need to patch it before we can test it again. Says he will patch it that night should be ready next day.

Next day comes around we start up the raid get Kota to 50% boom zone crashes still. Avarem at this point says the fix must not have went in that he would repatch it and reset the server right away, roughly 4 hours later the server chunk gets reset and we get Kota to 13% I think it was and wipe to an untimely mistake. We regroup and kill him next pull. (yeah so once again our fault completely that we didn't drive to SOE and figure out the bugs and edit the code ourself)

So, you walk into a mob after almost 3 weeks of us testing and correcting it for you on live servers and kill it 45 minutes before we do, and what takes place then? Not a thanks for putting the time in and suffering through a completely hosed up encounter in for 3 weeks to make it killable.. nah, your guild posts on your front pages talking SNARF about how your number one and we suck for not being able to kill it in 3 weeks when you killed it in 1 day.

P.S. Can you please post the link of the video where we so blantly exploited Kota, If your going to make public accusations atleast provide the proof, like for instance if I was to claim a certian pesron along with a his guild memebers and an officer of his guild exploit themselves past the barrier at Heg while 4 other guilds were sitting at phage waiting to fight for claim I would supply the screenshots and the logg I have of it instead of just saying it, otherwise it's just slander right, and as an upstanding member of the community I know your above slander.. right?

You know why they prolly recognized us for the Abom?

Becsuse we tested that on live for about 3 weeks too for them, look at the time between us getting the WWF on the griffon and Abom being killed.. really think it took us over a month to kill that guy?

They ninja patched in a fix and never told us. Then we heard it was killed while it was still unkillable as far as we knew. So we killed it first thing the next day on our fist pull. because we had already developed the strat but the fight was unkillable.

Convientent you can't find the vidoes of us so blantly exploiting.. man, you would think someone would have saved those things as seeing how it just showed how much the number one guild in the world was out exploiting content.

As for Kota.. we tried several different raid make-ups but it did include our necro everytime. And do you really think that had Kota not been bugged and been killable from day 1 we would not have downed him nearly 3 weeks before you even knew what the thing looked like.. keep patting yourself on the back and talking about how you earned it while trying to dismiss the fact that you know damn well we would have killed him with 1 to 2 days from the first attempt, which let me remind you.. again, would have been weeks before you guys even got to him. Your chunk wasn't brought down and it wasn't affecting you because you didn't have a necro using that graft in your raid. I'm pretty sure Avarem didn't even know you guys were on Kota so he only reset our chunk.

So keep talking crap posting in public forums about how we are exploiters along with "most guilds" without any proof and keep telling yourself your number 1, It's safe to say pretty much everyone who cares knows the truth anyway.

Oh, really, mind posting that on your guilds forum for me. So you are admiting to only getting him first because he was bugged for weeks and unkillable?

Never played it down? Just minutes ago you said it was our guilds fault for our "inability to debugg the situation and figure out what was causing us to crash sooner".

I would just stand down and admit tha you shouln't have randomly accused other guilds, all but your own of course, of using exploits to kill mobs. Thats all my point was anyway, Kota kill is it's own issue and like I said, those that care know anyway.

**I edited some stuff out**

Like I said before, you were the one who accused us of exploiting. Make less blanket acusations (which your still doing) in the future. Wether luper knows or not makes no difference, she does not run our raids and is not randomly dying to use some wierd ass exploit. I think I would notice her randomly running up and dying to raid mobs before we fought them.

Like i first stated, our memebers know better than to even suggest we use any exploits. It's not who we are or what we are about, it would only diminish what we acomplish anyway.

You eep trying to derail it about me carring about who is number 1, You can bet your ass I care, but that is not what got me started.. read back and see my first post, all I asked was who you were reffering to as exploiting. I knew only a handfull of us had beaten Kota and I'm pretty sure even less have made a video of it.

Thats the part that ticked me off. Anyone can just randomly come onto a board and post whatever the hell they want with no proof whatsoever. What you did wether intentional or not was publicly dis-credit what over 30 members of our guild put time into accomplishing. As well as other guilds according to your post. That shows an unacceptable amount of class on your part IMO. That was and is my point, I am still either waiting for this proof you have or for you to admit you were just assuming other people used whatever exploits your guild is aware of.

As far as the SS's I removed that. I am above that and regret even mentioning it. I did remove it rather quickly so I assume only you saw it anyway.