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« on: April 15, 2008, 10:26:16 PM »

Just for giggles.  This is 2 monk/rogue in the same group.  Bard/psi/shm buffed.  Sorc has a bard and all buffs.


Class --- DPs --- TOTAL DMG ---- dmg ratio (if bard is base dmg)
Rog1 - 6.4k ---1,830,000 ----2.28
rog2- 6.2k ---1,730,000 ---2.16
monk (drunk) - 5.4k 1,550,000 ---1.93
monk (drag) - 5.4k --- 1,540,000-- 1.93
Sorc 3.6k ---1,017,000 --- 1.27
bard 1 - 2.8k --- 800,000  ---- 1.0
bard 2 - 2.6k --- 747,000 --- 0.93
War-- 2.6k --- 729, 372 ---0.911
dk- 2.3k ---660,000  ---0.825


Assuming bards "base" dmg (gonna use total dmg not dps), because most people seem to think bards are right where they should be. 
The average raid geared rogue is over 2.2 a bards dmg. 
The average monk (dragon or drunken) is 1.9 times a bards dmg.
The average sorc is 1.27 times

My conclusion ---monks and rogues are right where they should be, for the ammount of utility bards do, they should be happy rogues only do 2x their dps.  I think its fair for the ammount of utility a bard gets.  As far as monks, raid wise dragon/drunken are pretty even on dps, harmonious is significantly lower.  We are again spot on where we should be in relation to bards and rogues. 

The only issue i see is that sorcs are only 1.3 times the total dmg.  Of bards.  This is with rune song and a personal healer for the sorc.  Litterally cant chain chaos volley any more then that folks.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 11:45:47 PM »

Thanks Fuj! Interesting study here!

However, taking off SOR from the study :

All three classes should be equal on their stats,  DEX/STR wise!  And it's certainly impossible to achieve that! Let alone their weapons!

I would consider it an overall average results.

Putting SOR back, I think they do need a lookup! Keeping that in mind their main power is to deliver fast DMG in a short period of time, not to top their overall DMG, meaning let them test the first 15seconds which I think SOR will be on top.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 07:19:23 AM »

Your parse for monks seems extremely low. Are you Dual Wielding or using 2H?   Dual wielding (even crafted weapons) would yeild higher results thatn what you're showing and puts monks at about 6.2-6.9k DPS.  Do any / all of those classes have a cleric in the group with them?  And you said Sorc has a bard and all buffs...do the monks / rogues not have a bard and all buffs?  With bard Runes being broken, you shouldn't even need a healer for your sorc...but again, I'm wondering if he had a cleric in his group as well. 

My conclusion is that all melee DPS is too strong and caster dps, in general and excluding Psi parses (parses only, no idea how much DPS they really do) is right on target.  Sorcs / Nec / Druid all seem to be doing about 2.5-3.5k fully buffed DPS with a bard.   
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 08:47:05 AM »

Sung:
yes melee have a cleric and bear shaman.  The monks, i am using 1 crafted, and legions,...the other is using 2x legendary dual wielders....  This was using both the dmg buffs x2 (at the start and again at the end) so i really cant get more then that.  a monk would have to be buged with no agro and infinite endurance to do more.   Melee had all buffs, bear shm, cleric, bard, blood mage, etc (i took the +86 dmg and other monk took the jolt)

Sorc has all buffs, a bard, and i think it was a blood mage healer. (with bird shm buffs)

I dont know, i dont think a sorc should be doing the same dps as a bard, which is about 3k
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 08:47:53 AM »

And so you know thats very representative of 90% of our fights.  Occasionally ill pass a rogue and break 6k but its rare.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 02:07:46 PM »

Sung:
yes melee have a cleric and bear shaman.  The monks, i am using 1 crafted, and legions,...the other is using 2x legendary dual wielders....  This was using both the dmg buffs x2 (at the start and again at the end) so i really cant get more then that.  a monk would have to be buged with no agro and infinite endurance to do more.   Melee had all buffs, bear shm, cleric, bard, blood mage, etc (i took the +86 dmg and other monk took the jolt)

Sorc has all buffs, a bard, and i think it was a blood mage healer. (with bird shm buffs)

I dont know, i dont think a sorc should be doing the same dps as a bard, which is about 3k

I do over 7k on 99 and I'm not bugged.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 02:24:53 PM »

I only have one legendary weapon and one heroic /cry
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 03:01:06 PM »

Sung:
yes melee have a cleric and bear shaman.  The monks, i am using 1 crafted, and legions,...the other is using 2x legendary dual wielders....  This was using both the dmg buffs x2 (at the start and again at the end) so i really cant get more then that.  a monk would have to be buged with no agro and infinite endurance to do more.   Melee had all buffs, bear shm, cleric, bard, blood mage, etc (i took the +86 dmg and other monk took the jolt)

Sorc has all buffs, a bard, and i think it was a blood mage healer. (with bird shm buffs)

I dont know, i dont think a sorc should be doing the same dps as a bard, which is about 3k

I do over 7k on 99 and I'm not bugged.
Well acording to sung and dev buddies you are doing 5k to much dps
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 03:59:38 PM »


Well acording to sung and dev buddies you are doing 5k to much dps

You can't possibly mean that we should be dealing less DPS than a Bard, could you?
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 04:05:53 PM »

More like 2.5-3k Kivik.   Thanks for playing though
And no Khana, Good monks should never do less DPS than good bards.  Bad monks...well maybe
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 04:06:42 PM »

Dunno ask sung ..he knows where we all should be on the pole but from reading his posts that the way i take it
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 04:11:44 PM »

PS...that's my personal opinion, not some fact a dev told me.  IMO, no class should be doing more than 4.5k on raids.  It grossly inbalances content.  So much in fact, that some guilds that used to farm Kotasoth can no longer kill him. 
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 04:12:22 PM »

I don't mind the nerf one bit. As long as it's done right it will bring the classes all inline and help them manage raid content (as well as group) much more effectively. It's hard to design solid content when you have some DPS classes doing double what others are doing. If you design it to account for the really high DPS then it will dictate all guilds use the most efficent group on those burn fights, which leaves alot of players out in the cold.

Once the DPS in brought down and standardized it will be much easier to push content that won't be trivialized by a max DPS raid force.

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Just wanted to point out that I personlly will feel this more than most players in the game to date, yet I support it and I wish others would see it for what it is instead of just yelling Nerf anf gatherin their pitchforks.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 04:12:42 PM »

Yeah sung i over did it on purpose.Im just sick and tired of hearing constant dps this and dps that.Fix the stupid bugs first like for example the magicborn abomination zonning..talk to npc ..npc casts spell and nobody gets ported.
Hail him again and he says you must wait,And guess what ,even after the area resets you still have to wait an additional 20 mins because it bugged (nothing tells all the spawns from magicborn to despawn when the area resets)
Frustrated i am
It gets old fast
I am growing tired of it
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 04:21:19 PM »

Nice try sung,Only reason we have not killed kota is due to loss of players(key players)
After GU4 we lost 2 full raid geard bards 1 raid geared monk and several raid geared casters,you of all people should know what you say is bs cause you finally got kota since last week due to roster reasons too.
Anyway since then we have found 1 new bard(needs gear) and 1 monk (partially geared now) so dont worry sung we will be back killing kota in no time..Thanks for making sure you keep up on what we do.
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