So its been over two months, and i think its time we try to do something (in a polite and civilized maner) to get the changes we need for monks.   Ive started a thread at the main forums.

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=30262

Feel free to chime in and let the developers know we desperately want the changes promised since back in December. 

yea lets get this show on the road

If you're like rocklee at all it will only take about a tablespoon of alcoholic beverage to do that.  Of course in the process you will also accidentally kick the crap out of everything in a 5 mile radius... 

If I can every actually post on the official forums I'll chime in as well.  Its never worked quite right for me...which is odd considering that it still works for EQ1/2 etc.

Bumped it up. Oh I accidentally may have voted for you Fujitsu.   

WTF! If anything they could stop refresh haste stacking.
In raids the abilites are doing nice dmg, but solo they're really unremarkable.
God forbid that a class that adds nothing to the group in terms of buffs and group dps increasers, and one of the worst soloers in the game....should have a decent dps rate.

I can see it now, group 4's bursting full of monk and just swapped in for the odd split, why have a monk when you can have a ranger that does equal dps and brings much more to the group, also can solo 10 x 4dots at once if needed.

Ah interesting, i presume monks are getting a massive ranged dps increase then (600% at least)

I really don't trust the devs intentions as to what is "equal",
let's take ranger for instance; melee hits very similar to monk/rogue, ranged hits essentially the same in most cases (ability to go either melee or ranged depending on the situation and not lose any significant amount of dps).
Can tank in a tricky situation, can heal in a tricky situation.
GOOD group buffs.
Stupidly overpowered for soloing/mass kiting

Monk; nice melee dps, joke ranged dps (might as well not have a monk if everyone except tank needs to be ranged)
Can tank in a tricky situation, can't heal except small self one on massive cooldown
NO group buffs of any kind (oh let's not forget jin surge - lmao)
In the bottom 3 classes at soloing (warrior/rogue/monk?)

Bottom line - nerfing our dps makes us useless to raid, except stance removal...oh! ranger can do that a lot better too
Time to reroll to a more "equal" class? 

We are also amongst the top DPS.
I'm sure a very well equiped monkey will do as much dps as a rogue once they get the 5 pieces of their APW armor set
Else we're behind rogues.

So all I can say is wow.  Inbetween talking to other class leads and reading the boards.  Its 99% obvious that they have no clue.

1) Parsers - Self parse vs 3rd person parse.  For melee they are pretty dang good for both, i recommend using YAVLP (on pains website).  People seem to think that we have a ton of dps that isnt being parsed (ala they dont understand errant strike, fist of celerity, and weakness.  Hist MADE the parser and Farrah and I made sure those skills all parsed correctly.  So theres no hidden 12k dps.

2) There is a bug that some guilds are exploiting to give melee 100% endurance (not just high end regen, you litterally will never use any of it)

3) Monk/rogue do very little solo or in groups.  The reason we are so good in raid is our class depends on good tanks.  That in combination with the fact that buff stacking is a bit out of hand (refresh haste mainly) makes it slightly trivial for melee.  I dont think endurance regen is an issue simply because most casters never go OOEnergy, but i go OOendurance quite often even with turgan buffs (especially when pushing stance)

4)The reasons casters parse SO LOW is simple, they horrible agro control.  Spike dps agros more then total dmg.  Its proven and parsed by a few DKs.  They can be WAY low on the agro list in offensive stance, and a big 40k crit will net them agro.  Ive seen it 1000 times with sorcs "opps i peeled i had a legendary crit"  In a fight where agro is 100% locked (mob wont leave a target) ive seen sorcs parse up to 4-5k dps, its possible.  Necros with dots + pets, again 4k dps easy.  Druids...they are kinda low even with their dots, PP, and minions i see them capping out at about 3k.  They can compete with all the melee minus rog/monk easy...which imho is probably how it should be.

5) the reason theres a difference between str and int is again simple.  At 50 with 0 str my attks would do about 300-500 (ashen hand might do 600).  Thats their base dmg.  A caster with 100% spell dmg rating has a base attack of 5k+ on some skills.  With spell dmg focus, dmg rating, and crit rating  they may appear to get a smaller return...but compare it to the gain if it was like str....they would get +500 dmg to each nuke.  So  a 5k nuke +500 dmg ...or a 5k nuke + 200% modifier ....yeah tough call huh?



Bottom line is if they are making sweeping changes to monk and rogue dps, i will be severely disappointed if we get no say.  I dont think i can handle another GU4 where everythings broken for over 10days and then a "5% dps" drop from a bard song ends up being a 30% drop in raid dps.   Yeah way to parse that guys.