How about their asses, like most class envy inspired ideas?

Im drunken monk and Im using staggering fist + crescent kick + boundless fist in addition to secret as primary attack. Doesnt seem to always work tho.....when farming 2dots for my skinning i noticed:
Some mobs were close to 1rounded by it, meaning i hit them dead in one hit or almost.
Some mobs were almost not hurt at all by it even if my hits did the normal damage (yes i checked)

So im thinking that as they are all hitting at virtually the same time, sometimes the game doesnt register all the hits as damage?

Ya I figured as much, just a lot of people talking out their asses. Darwoth telling me I don't know anything about my class and that his monk friend strings together 8 attacks in one round.....

When in reality it's just as i've always done ; Crescent Kick + attack, and the secret of fire is adding + 2 "attacks"

I feel they should change it so that the fire damage is added to the attack damage, so it would be back to 2 attacks instead of 4, (or 6 for drunken), but untill they do, i'm glad I got a monk. lol

Oh, and adding the fire damage to the ability damage would only lower the damage slightly - and it would affect the well geared monks more than the SNARFty ones (me).

As it is right now none of my attacks hit for 40% cap in PvP because I'm pretty undergeared, unless of course I'm really buffed. While each attack followed by a secret proc do more than 40%, it isn't much for me. So combining the two and capping it at 40% would help how much? It only slightly lowers the damage and if I'm still doing 3x attacks (attack + combined secret damage) thats 120% damage.

It's easier to see with ranged damage.

If I kill cloth with 3 ranged attacks already, will the proposed change really do anything?

Now:

Ranged Attack
Secret of Fire
Ranged Attack
Secret of Fire
Ranged Attack [dead]
Secret of Fire [or dead]

after proposed change:

Ranged Attack + Secret Damage [40% cap]
Ranged Attack + Secret Damage [40% cap]
Ranged Attack + Secret Damage [Dead]

While the first scenario may have done slightly more damage before the last attack it really makes no difference. Tbh, it would only be an issue if the secret damage itself was nearing the damage cap... and it's not. That would be - the target dying after 1. Ranged Attack (cap) 2. Secret of Fire (cap) 3. Ranged attack (dead). It's not like that. Even in melee combat it wouldn't really make that much of a difference unless you have incredible gear/buffs and are hitting for 40% cap with EACH melee ability and secret proc.

The thing I like about secret procs is not that the damage isn't calculated in the attack - it's that it absorbs ward charges. Druid v. Monk is already a who macro's the other first fight. If I don't get the ward off my macro won't kill him and I'll be dead (pets, ire + starfall + solar flare).

What's the difference?

Add the secret damage TO the attack and the person still gets hit 2-8 times depending on style and what self-buffs you use. This time it's a definite damage cap hit though. It's the same end result - dead person... usually a clothy or another medium armor person. It's not because the macro killed them - it's just the game is designed around PvE, big damage in PvE does not transition well to low HP players.

And PvP is hardly about who has the best macro. It's pretty simple to build an effective macro that activates everything you want and in what order you want it. After that it's up to what you can do to prevent the other person from nailing you - using invulns, wards, reactives, dodge buffs, etc... positioning yourself correctly. But, you won't stand a chance if you don't take the time to figure out how to build your character to be the most effective - in this case, making macros. But it's like that in any game really, the people who prepare and are ready to fight will always come out on top.

You guys are starting to argue semantics here....

He's calling them attacks you're saying, no they are hits...who cares?

Either way they count as seperate hits/attacks.  I feel it would be a step in the right direction to count them in regardless of weather its "enough" or not to fix the problem for PVP.

I can see and understand what you are saying daefuin that if you are capping but still get off 3 attacks that = a dead target either way.

The other problem goes back to programing...since the secret is potentially resisted etc. independantly I suspect the programing wouldn't be so simple...

It may simply have to come down to no more than 40% damage dealt per 3seconds or something like that...which would probably feel very messed up but I can't think of a less complex solution programmingwise atm?

Our secrets have a 100% proc rate. It doesn't matter if you call it a proc, an attack, or if you combine it with the melee damage. The end result is the same, that is... dead target.