Yeah from what my rogue friend and i can tell, hate transfer arent working at all.  We feed a sorc hate for the first 4 min of a fight, and both him and me ended up peeling and not the sorc. 

I did talk to silius about looking into foolhardy swager, but chances are its an overall hate issue and not a simple fix.  Fool hardy swager SHOULD give an increased 14% hate to the defensive target (including self).  Which is the best ae taunt in the game hands down. Its a shame it doesnt work

Well lead, the harmonious and i have pretty much the exact same gear and stat build, only im an orc and hes a raki so his natural str and dex are far worse then mine.  We both use the same martial staff on raids and for parse purposes i had him use his last night, ill work on getting the 20+ fights averaged and posted tonight.

And no i dont think id be near the crit cap with full apw gear and all my points in dex.  Id be a hella lot closer, but you cant make a comparison saying harmonious do less dps if everyone had max crit gear.  I could turn around and say if all 3monks had the same + dmg rating, then harmonious would be the most dps because they have the additional crit.

If you want to really compare... go naked for all 3 monks, same race, same stat build, then use offensive stances to compare.  Otherwise it will always be biased.   Pre apw, its bias against harmonious, post apw most gear has + melee dmg meaning harmonious benefit a ton.   


As far as hp gear and dex..... i sit at 660 raid buffed dex with 0 points in it... All of our gear adds dex.  The avoidance added by dex is really small in comparison to the dmg added by int.  I need hp to live through ae's which to this day ive never seen a spell based ae thats dodge able. 

Maybe that's the answer, make Harmonious a buff/debuff oriented disciple ;p

I must really be an idiot because I have played a harmonious monk for more than a year and I have yet to find our buffs.  I have never once buffed another player.  Maybe I forgot to train those skills or something.  Someone please tell me where to find all these buffs that Meiyo is referring to.  As for debuffs, they are better than the other 2 styles debuffs but suck in comparison to rogue debuffs who do a hell of a lot more damage than a harmonious monk.

As for DPS, the drunken monk in my guild does more dps often times than the dragon monk.  And they both do more dps than I do.  Maybe I need to switch to a 2-hander or something.

Well so far i've played a monk to lev 38 and I am a dragon monk.  I am not very disappointed with the class as some make it out to be on these boards.

The thing is, a lot of people want dragons monks AE skills removed for single target skills... This in my opinion is not  a problem.  Anyway someone has to do AE skills, and we should do just as much single target dps as the other monks (if not 5 to 10% more being the DPS spec).  This is looking at while being in group/raid.  While it would be nice to say all classes are equal solo, that will never happen. 

 Eventually there are going to be encounters that need AE DPS and you will kick yourself if you have the devs remove your ae skills.  Plus the AE skills are quite useful in small groups.  I'd like an increase on the damage of the claw rakes the dragon skill.  The other AE skills that hits targets all around has terribly low damage on it (although i think monks of all varieties get this one). 

Personally I would like to see just the stances looked at.  For 24% extra dps compared to 22% for drunken with a way harsher penalty. Lets face it 10% mitigation at lv 50, when our mitigation isnt that high to begin with is pretty rough.  Drop it down to 5% to 7% mitigation and up the increased DPS to about 28% would be nice.  For the neutral stance it should give us 10% increased DPS with no penalty, and for the def stance, have the armour increase based on a % of current armour, so it will scale as we gear up and level up.

Plus fix the bugs that you mention would be great.  From what I can tell i do a LOT of dps, and can even tank for my group quite efficiently if there is CC.  Quivering palm lowers the mobs DPS so much that in offensive stance I can easily hold aggro and not spike too hard for my healer. 

What would be cool is if we had a skill like fist of celerity but instead of increasing DPS it can redirect aggro to your defensive target for the next 20 seconds. 

yeah id like to see those issues fixed asap!