This is mainly for quinn, but since i haven't seen him in a while ill ask you guys for input.  Ive been playing a drunken for a month now because i want to give them a fair list of suggestions to help balance them.  If theres no objection ill run these past a developer tonight since ill be testing with a few. 

Drunken

1) Magnificent drunken swagger - Increase the duration to 20 seconds (5 second increase) to make it equal to find the center.
2) Magnificent drunken swagger - change to 10 endurance cost (vs 2 jin)
3) Slap hands - fix it so it stops damaging the drunken monk  fixed
4) Slap hands - increase its dmg and make it more consistent (ie adds a 600-700 pt counter instead of 20 to 900)
5) Slap Hands - change jin cost to 3-4 (i think its 7, which is way to much for a 45 second ds)
6) Slap hands - add a hate increase to this buff (its only used when tanking anyways)
7) Fool hardy swagger - increase the hate of the defensive target by 14% to all mobs in ae (what it should do atm, but is buged)
Staggering Fist - reduce endurance cost to 10 (its 20 end for 75% wpn dmg and 0.1 sec stun on a 8 second recast) its already 12, im stupid and had a debuff on when looking at it
9) Lurching Feint - doesn't open finishers on raid mobs as far as ive noticed, needs to be fixed (make it 100 dmg if thats what it needs)

Stance related
1) increase the avoidance on defensive (its way to close to harmonious, AND they get endurance reduction)
2) move the + hate to either the defensive stance or to a secondary toggle buff, so we can tank with defense AND agro

Harmonious
1) Withering palm - reduce the jin cost to 4( its 6 atm)
2) Find the center - change to 10 end cost (instead of 2 jin)

Stance related
1) reduce endurance cost of tiger stance to 25-30% penalty (instead of 40)
2) increase the jin regen at 50 ( u have more jin, you should regen slightly faster)

Dragon
1) feet of the fire dragon - increase its dmg to atleast 8k per 16 sec (2k per 4 sec, still less then auto attack)
2) dragon rakes its claw - make it a full 360 ae, not just frontal cone
3) Dragon breath - if its gonna stay ae, up its dmg to 10-15k ae on a 2 min reuse (full 360 degree ae, no frontal cone)
4) Dragons rage - melee +400 instead of just 400 dmg, makes the attack useful
5) Divine ae line - reduce recast to 10-15 seconds.  30 seconds is long and in that time i can whirling strike for more dmg
6) Sundering dragon - increase dmg to 6k over 6 seconds (again 2k per 2 sec, even with auto attack)
7) dragon sweeps its tail - make it instant reuse, or at least 10 second
8 ) dragon sweeps its tail - make it melee + 300 dmg (not just 300 dmg)
9) Sun dragons corona ---- still open ---- (we know it should be dps buff and not an ae)

Stance related
1) increase the hp regen on the dragon stance to at east 200 hp at 50 (out of combat) and 72 (in combat)
2) stone dragons - make the ac gain % based instead of a set number, or just switch to %parry/dodge
3) storm dragon - increase the % dmg (and change it to dmg instead of melee dmg so it affects spells)

I'd kinda like to pursue these suggested stances some more.  I play a harmonious monk and I can say that the harmonious stance changes would be excellent.  I don't know how the other stance proposals would feel to dragon and drunken monks, though.

Still don't see us needing any major avoidance addition to our defensive as it would take away from the damage shield portion of it. We have other ways of increasing avoidance, reed/stagger etc
Think mitigation would be more suited (mainly since our offensive reduces mitigation + mit for defensive wouldn't be out of line)
The damage shield portion of defensive increases with stats i believe, i know mine slaps for about 135+ unbuffed, ill have to check it raid buffed and see what the diff is.

I do agree that harmonious defensive is too close to ours i don't really see it as being better than ours, we do have an aum ability that lowers ability cost etc.

I will have to test slap hands a bit more, only time i've just let anything hit me testing it was against another player, and i let my damage shields kill him.........ill have to re-examine logs

I'm still fine with Staggering the way it is........can be macro'd to make it more useful which is nice since secrets procs with every hit....it not being on global cooldown is what gives it its utility, for that alone the 20 endurance is fine.

Would be nice if there were 4-5 ppl removing stance on every raid heh not allways the case on pvp server if anything needs a cost reduction its pushing hands imo.

The Continental DS is not added to the Slap from our defensive, least it does not show up like that for me and i've played drunken since beta2, the continental damage shield shows up as Mob takes XX damage from your damage shield on average this one may be anywhere from 30-50 depending what continental stuff i swap in/out

. Where defensive Stance shows up as you slap mob for XXX etc. They are separate entities...Separate damage shield effects, and i do consider the damage shield portion of our defensive as Utility. Now they should add Hate to the Slap portion of our damage shield......That would be even better utility.......Who wouldn't get mad at being slapped every time they took a swing at ya ;P

If they put stagger on the same timer as CK you'd wind up using one of our other attacks less which would not be good.

Lead you play a harmonious and you constantly start issues and frankly instead of complaining everytime you feel harmonious is being threatened, you should be suggesting things.

1) Drunken is the tank, so sorry you dont agree but:
     they have the weakest dmg attacks (other then thousand fist line at LVL 50)
     they have the most taunts (3 vs harmonious's 1)

2) I did suggest a reduction in the endurance cost of harmonious offensive stance (which would make it more viable and easily more dps over the entire level range from 15-50), if you feel your offensive stance still wouldn't be better then drunken after that, why not suggest a simple solution? like add a 5-10% dps.  Personally i think the 10-15% end drop in cost would be more then enough but it would require testing either way

3) Harmonious are currently the most ridiculously over powered of the 3 monks, as such theres no real point in playing the other two at the moment, the point of these suggestions was to bring the other 2 monks into a even battle field.   Dont get me started on diamond skin either.

4) Harmonious' monks defensive stance is by far the most optimal stance of all 9 at lvl 50.  It may not offer increased dmg directly but the endurance reduction WITH defensive buffs makes it a really good choice.  A 50-100 pt ds on drunken defensive stance doesnt make up for the endurance reduction on your stance. 

If you want to suggest something pls do, but stop trying to hijack threads where you try to keep harmonious monk the most powerful... Frankly its the middle stance and should be moderate at best not the number one choice of 90% of monks. 

Harmonious should be more dps then drunken (which it is at all levels other then 50) and a worse tank (which it isnt, infact harmonious is the top tank of the 3)

Offensive stances should have penalties.
1) Dragon most dps gain most mitigation lost
2) Drunken Second most dmg gain, second most mitigation lost
3) Harmonious adds no direct dps gain and removes no mit....instead it adds crit and costs endurance....which we all agee is currently to high of a cost.  But it also makes it viable to tank in dps IF you want (not the best option but you wont suffer as much as drunken or dragon)

I like how all the stances arent copy and pasted but it makes them harder to balance.  If drunkens defensive stance got better

The alternative would be to go to a dumb down system where its all cookie cutter.  But atleast then it wold be so crystal clear who is tank and who is dps.  And exactly where the harmonious would sit

Offensive
Dragon          30% dmg 15% crit 1k proc   15% XYZ penalty (avoidance/dodge/parry???)
Harmonious  25% dmg 10% crit  500 proc  10% penalty to XYZ (avoidance/dodge/parry???)
Drunken        20% dmg 5% crit  250 proc  5% penalty to XYZ (avoidance/dodge/parry???)

Defensive
Dragon          5% dodge/parry,  50% spell rune vs 2/6 elements (fire and ice rune already)
Harmonious  10% dodge/parry,   50% spell rune vs 4/6 elements + ds
Drunken       15% dodge/parry , 50% spell rune vs 6/6  + ds and hate

lol honestly cause i suck at math in my head...im really that bad. 

well still kinda close to the things talked about in the drunken GU3.3 thread so Ill back this for the most part.

would like to see both the def and off use the same scale respectively though either 4% or 5% when doing the % for style 's

it was mentioned but needs to be added to {the list  here} keep the minor ds and the hate gain in the def stance for drunken.
 still want drunken swagger buff lengthened, as I talked about in  GU 3.3 for drunken. no need for perm, but a solid 20-25 seconds out of 2 minutes would be specatular. and non overpowering  / unbalancing consdiering SOE messed up with Diamond skin already.

so what I am asking is:
Dragon          5% dodge/parry,  50% spell mit vs 2/6 elements (fire and ice rune already)
Harmonious  10% dodge/parry,   50% spell mit vs 4/6 elements
Drunken       15% dodge/parry , 50% spell mit vs 6/6 minor DS currently available in def, hate gain from mid stance moved to here