http://www.vanguardmonks.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,27/topic,612.30/  this is kinda neat about the drunken alcohols. Give us a skill to make them or buy them or quest for recipes etc
Would be great

See this post for ideas
http://www.vanguardmonks.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,27/topic,1104.0/

Agreed started playin my wolf shammy again level 34 woohoo. Nice DPS, heals, runspeed, stealth, spell dmg, debuffs and slow. Oh can rez and call people too. Gotta like that

I agree with Kivik. I built my drunken monk as a survivability monk. Good for pulling on raids. Early preforce taunt nerf it was nice to tanks for small groups using Jeering kick to keep agro. It was really fun and alot of people were happy to have someone to tank for them.
I see it this way, Dragon should be extreme offense. If this means different types of elemental attacks/debuffs increasing his or decreasing the mobs damage so be it. Their AE attacks are lame for the most part. Take them out and give some meat.
Harmonious are the buffer/debuffer. Thats their can of corn. I wouldnt want to impinge on their role. I think their effect should be greater to be more effective but the idea of the style is excellent
Drunken should have high survivability. We used to have the ability to taunt all the mobs around us for 5 hits. I saved alot of groups hitting my invul telling them to run hitting that skill and letting them get away then FD. We lost that ability way back when. I think our invul should be the highest of the 3 with a quicker cooldown.
Our dmg should be between dragon and harm. Tanking in APW ..shrug itd be a nice idea....the 50% dmg reduction thing could be increased to 75% etc. Lotsa good things could be added to make Drunken the high survivability monk.
Im partial to drunken (art imitating life ? ) Anyway just my 2 cents

I too was a Monk in EQ. The nerf decimated the monk class.Ellan was correct in that the top 1% monks they were trying to "fix" werent affected at all. The rank and file monk felt it greatly. This is why Im calling for open analysis of this issue. Its in our best interest that everyone in the community has the numbers/ tactics and information to do extensive testing. If we just jump to a conclusion that on the surface may be the culprit we may end up paying for it in the long run.

Thats why Im asking for in depth information. If I can duplicate the sequence of abilites and not get the same results then it has to be something else. I think Fujitsu brought up (when this first came out) that it might be an issue of buff stacking but that was quickly quashed.
So those of you getting 200k crits and soloing APW mobs in 5 or 6 hits please tell us the abilities you use and in what order. I will go to APW soon as you do it and test it.
If I and other monks cant duplicate it then we can look at gear and buffs and see how they come into play.
Just assuming its +flat damage being the culprit is a bit premature.
We need to break this all down. Heck go into APW naked wearing just a weapon and no buffs and see what kinda crits you pull off and what yer DPS is. Then add yer gear and repeat. Then remove the gear and get raid buffed and repeat. Then wear yer gear and get buffed and repeat.
This could be done in a couple of hours and actually give us real data to work with.
I really dont want to be adjusted in GU6 only to find out that it was buff stacking and not +flat damage. At the rate they fix stuff itd be GU9 before they could refix us.

Please try to stay on point. Im trying to understand why you and our class lead feel we do too much damage ot how this happens. In your last post Draxs you say you can sustain 7k dps..and yer drunken monk 12k. Once a again you SAY that. I dont see you listing what abilities you are using to reach that damage.You say its very very simple to see whats causing the gap in DPS. Oh really? I dont see it. Cuz I cant reproduce it no matter what I try.Raid buffed im well over 900 strength and use an array of good weapons.
 I dont see any logs or a video or screenshots. I want specifics please. ie: boundless fist crescent kick fist of celerity etc etc. What sequence of abilities do you use to hit for over 200k ever 2 mins. Ive yet to see any concrete proof in the form of data other than now your and  Fusoyas' says so. Im sorry thats not good enough.
I want to understand this. I want to take it apart and analyze it so I can speak intelligently about it. I may see your evidence and agree wholeheartedly. But until this bug/issue is explained so the rank and file monk can reproduce it and understand it, its just words.
I am not "calling out" our class lead. Its his job to answer questions and help the community understand changes he is proposing or those that the devs have communicated. Ive yet to hear Fusoya complain about this. He's a big boy Im sure he can stand up for himself.
So Draxs and Fusoya how bout some real evidence.

What Fusoya is saying may be true. Im not doubting his veracity or skill as a gamer. Howerver, its one thing to make claims and call them facts and another to have proof of what you are saying. This will be a monumental change to our abilities and viability on raids and in groups. Its not alot to ask to for some concrete proof. I was in APW last nite and I can tell you that I cant solo trash mobs there. Much to the amusement of my guildmates.
We as a community are trying to fathom these impending changes. For Fusoya to downplay our concerns with no evidence other than his say so is frankly not good enough.

Gang

Be that as it may I still want to see numbers. I want to know what sequence of skills used to produce the 200k hits every min and 28 secs. Again I want to see them solo an APW trash mob in 5 to 6 hits. Make a video. Until then Im dubious.It sounds like we have an apologist as a class lead. I dont want to be homgonized into melee DPS, interchangeable with rogues.rangers and bards. I do one thing, DAMAGE , thats it.

Gang

I have been reading posts by Fusoya and his friends saying they get 200k hits and thats its easily repoduceable etc. Im a level 50 drunken monk. I raid.  I feel I maximize every drop of damage I can  from my class and yet for some reason I have NEVER see a crit above 50k EVER. That includes using errant strikes and fists of celerity. Raid buffed im well over 900 strength. And yes we parse every raid. I am usually number 1 or 2 DPS wise for the raid. But its not from spikey damage its from sustained DPS in the 3500-4200dps range. I can bring numbers if you need them. Something you, Fusoya havent done.
So you saying it happens easily and that you can solo trash APW mobs isnt enough Im sorry. Post a video. Or at least describe what you are doing to reach these numbers. Then we can analyze where the problem is for ourselves.
You saying that you have identified the bug and and are recommending changes on our behalf scares the crap out of me. Up until your appointment to class lead Id never heard of you or seen you post here to discuss issues. The few supporters you have are your friends or guildies etc. This does not prove your credibility or that of your ideas/explanations.
So post details. Post a video of you or one your friends killing an APW trash mob in "5 or 6" hits and I'll start to believe you.
You keep saying theres a bug. You say it makes us overpowered. Ive yet to see any proof of it from you. None.
You saying so its good enough
Respectfully
Gang

After looking at todays patch notes Im kinda confused. Now granted Im only level 33 but I dont recognize any of those attacks..( maybe  hammer fist) not sure tho. Maybe they are high level attacks. But I was under the impression that the monk class needs help across the board. Or is it only at higher levels?
Not complaining just wondering about the logic