A Cleric...........

OK, imo all those saying they don't want sigil to give us spoilers, here is what you have to logically conclude that sigil wants the monk to be from what we've seen so far:

One of the lowest DPS classes. (IF NOT THE FRICKING LOWEST)
No utility.
No great tanking ability.
No great soloing ability.
Only do good damage in groups (but then again, who the HELL doesn't)

So basically the monk is a do nothing class atm with mediocre DPS potential in a group and THATS IT.  Sigil's version of a monk is simply a mediocre LACKLUSTER do NOTHING DPS class who can only survive SOMETIMES with a crappy FD and they can only pull if you trick the AI. 

No......  This is not how ANY class should play.  This is now how ANY customer should be treated.  This my friends, is the worst i have ever seen any MMO be handled.  I'm serious, we're boring on SWG crap right now.

I would like to make a motion to fire the Devs at Sigil and hire Leishiu instead.

All those in favor say " I "

here's the deal as best i can tell.

Scenario A:
We have yet to have any real attention payed to us.  The devs LITERALLY haven't had the time to look at our class, or have neglected to do so in order to fix things more important.  We are just being strung along like a little dog on leash.  Until the devs acknowledge our class and the ridiculous issues we have (and they come to our forums and tell us as much and stay in constant communication) nothing will change.  They are not working on fixing us, they have not fixed us, they won't fix us until they come to us and say as much.  I thought the last post Talisker made was going to get the ball rolling, but it didn't.  Minor fixes, more issues.

Scenario B:
The devs are all total and complete morons who dont' know wtf they are doing and they don't know how to test classes to see how the issues stack up.  Some Rtard is sitting around playing only the monk and doesn't know how to compare classes and has no sense of balance or equality and therefore has no idea what our real issues are because he/she doesn't know how we compare to other classes. 

I doubt we are looking at a scenario B here.  The devs all seem like they have a lot of prior experience and knowledge about MMOs.  I think we are looking at a scenario A.  They are too busy to fix us, they will not fix us until they tell us the fixes are coming.  Really, all they need to do are fix the major issues and we'll be ok for awhile.   I guess are money isn't as good as ranger money   

Age of Conan Dev diary 1
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17865&type=wmv

Age of Conan Dev diary 2
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17866&type=wmv

Warrhammer Online info (look at the podcasts)
www.warhammeronline.com

This is so people will realize (or be reminded) that there are other games out there we have to look forward too.  Some companies seem to have it together.  Take it or leave it, love it or hate it (or me), but these games look fantastic!

(for the AoC stuff you can go to http://www.gametrailer.com/gthd.php?page=10&plattyfilt=&letter=A&s_cc=true&s_sq=[]&plattyfilt=&letter=A&s_cc=true&s_sq=[]
and load it yourself, these links i've made seem to be taking forever)

Maybe this is a sign to all of us 

One of the most respected monk activists is fed up, maybe we should all throw in the towel on our monks until something ACTUALLY happens for us....

My name is Zhengyi Tsung and i support this message.

I too am tired of waiting and waiting.  This game has cost me about $80+ and has given me nothing but frustration in return  and i feel like i deserve better than this.  I have tried to be active on the monk forums, putting out ideas, doing my best to get parses in and gathering info for the devs to make their lives easier and I still haven't gotten anything in return.  I'm with Ryoku.  This is BS and i'm done with it.  Thanks for being a great community, i'm sorry it turned out this way.  I might be back (i'll probably troll the forums for a little while).  Probably not, im researching AoC and Warhammer Online right now and I would encourage you guys to check those games out.  AoC isn't due out till october 30 but it has 10x the polish of vanguard already and looks like a great innovative combat system (and the graphics actually look equal to or better than Vanguard EASILY).  Warhammer has fun looking PVP and RVR and is definately worthy of a look (thought it looks like WoW, BLEH!).

So with the last amount of advice i have in me sent to you.  I wish you guys good luck, and i hope they finally pay attention to you and fix the monk class.  I may continue to play on PVP with my uber cleric, but if i get in the beta of AoC i'll probably be done with vanguard for a long time.  So sad, it had so much potential.

Later Ladies.

Anyone else fed up with this yet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !ROFLMAO!!

Harm shouldn't out DPS dragon and should break even with drunken (if not both). with my proposed changes to drunken and dragon, maybe tiger stance would be fine where it is currently, just don't want it too overpowered because i wanna switch to drunk stance and not feel like i've lost DPS lol.

What about this sentence do you not understand Leadfoot?

Well Khana Kipnisien, maybe the dragon stances are all good, but it used to not be that way (as i'm SURE you know by now).  Some stances DEFINATELY needed changes and adjustments, such as hate generation on drunken styles offensive stance, useless melee haste on the drunkens neutral stance, and a weak defensive stance.  Some needed to be changed, but my post proposes dragon stances are fine, so 

Well im no street fighter but i'll give it a shot 

I did semi "study" on weapon damage kind of and basically what i discovered is this:
Monk abilities don't seem to register the strength bonus but auto attack does (basically the weapons will hit for about the same using specials)

When i went from a 40DPS bladestaff and 40ish DPS martial staff to a 71 DPS bladestaff, i honestly noticed no major difference in how hard my abilities hit.  I was fighting skeletons in graystone so i was hitting harder than normal, but whether i used the 40 DPS martial staff, the 40 DPS bladestaff, or the 71 DPS bladestaff i still hit the mobs with thousand fists for between 7k-10k consistently with any of the three weapons.  This CLEARLY means something isn't working as intended, because when you nearly double the damage of your weapon (from 40 to 71) and you add about 24 strength, you should see a HUGE difference in your damage output, but sadly i did not.  When i parsed h2h weapons compared to my 2hand weapons, the 2handers usually parsed higher.  I have a 40DPS handwrap and a 37DPS handwrap and it felt like i was doing more damage, i was throwing numbers out all over the place, using secrests etc, but the parse said 2handers were doing more.

Hope this helps.

I mean, i don't think you're using it incorrectly.  Maybe if you tried holding it in your mouth and sticking your head between your legs while standing on one foot and rubbing your stomache while spining around upside down hopping on one foot you can get about 20 extra DPS out of it.

or you can just wear it like every other monk in your primary slot, whatever you want

(of course i've tried it!)

Well i think it depends on how you define overpowered.  The majority of classes can solo even 3 dots easily.  There are a few notable classes who can basically solo anything. 

We can solo 3 dots now that makes us ALMOST average with other classes, not overpowered, lol.  I stand by my original post.  RITW is not overpowered, the only attacks we can use while chaining it are counterattacks really and i daresay a majority of the other classes who solo well will still kill faster and WITHOUT downtime.  I'd say RITW makes us middle of the pack soloing, or slightly below average.  Im not sure how bad off rogues are, im pretty sure warriors are the suck though, also heard Bards are pretty weak soloing.  I may rank us above bards, or just below them. 

Also, we STILL have downtime from soloing.  Which is not a bad thing, im just saying the classes that can solo well generally have NO downtime and can kill harder mobs.  The creatures WILL hit you and you WILL have to rest, and we have no extra regening powers (well now dragon monks do) so downtime is considerable comparatively.  (and don't say buy food, because that's outside of our classes normal abilities and is irrevelant to this conversation =P )

So even with RiTW, we still aren't overpowered (overpowered by definition meaning we are more powerful than the MAJORITY of classes in a certain area, either soloing or grouping).  We still do not solo the best, might kill a little faster but we will still ahve downtime. 

I can't see how you perceive this as being "overpowered" in any way, but thats just my opinion. 

That's interesting i guess, but i don't see why it should work.  Doesn't make much sense to my why running a mob past another mobs spawn point and not getting too far and then FDing should pull a single?  Very odd.

- Monk Drunken Fist Stance has been altered. The damage bonus has been slightly increased, 5% parry chance and a mitigation penalty have been added. The increased hate generation has been removed.
- Monk Drunken Sway has been altered. Dodge and Parry are both increased. The overall dodge/parry chance has increased. While in this stance you will slap all who attack you, dealing minor damage

Ok, before i get confused again, Drunken Fist is offesnive right?   I like the changes to it.
Drunken Mastery is the "neutral" stance?
Drunken Sway is the "defensive" stance?  Where is the hate generation in the defensive stance?

Is there now a Defensive stance, aggro stance, offensive stance?  No more neutral?  is that the end goal?  I guess it's plausible IF and ONLY IF the dodge and parry in the "aggro" stance is increased.  Currently 5% i think it was will not cut it, ESPECIALLY if RiTW is put on a 2 minute refresh.  Drunken monks will be facing an offtanking nerf if this patch goes through i think.

The defensive bonuses are nice, but it will be hard to hold aggro i think without the extra hate generation, i dont think those 2 attacks that pull aggro alone will be enough to keep aggro consistently, especially if they have a longer refresh. Not to mention it would kinda be a pain imo, not really room to throw out finishers if you have to spam the kick and the AOE taunt, which means your DPS and aggro holding ability will drop, which means if your taunt misses or whatever you've lost aggro until the refresh brings it back.  This is why it makes the MOST sense to put the hate generation on the defensive stance so that you can use other abilities to deal some damage and help hold aggro without having to rely on spamming jeering kick and what not to hold aggro which has the potential to fail and you lose aggro.  My 2 cents

Or am i just confused and perceiving this wrong? lol  I wish i knew what the devs were thinking when they made these changes, not because they are "bad" but because i'd like to know their logic and reasoning as they are doing these fixes.  If they have a vision for the monk, i'd really like to see what it is, if i agree with it (and should keep playing monk) and if i can help give more ideas to further along the process of fixing it.