Well i guess you have read my posts wrong then.
But i dont see tanking reduced to holding agro only. Being able to survive is the other side of the coin, so i dont want this to be completely neglected. And as i said, agro tools not going to do me any good while soloing. We have to keep all aspects of the game in mind, not only high end raiding. Also have to keep in mind the coming combat rebalancing which will drop our dps and have to keep in mind the proposed mob rebalancing which may drop our current survivability in relation to the opponents.

I dont want to compete with defensive fighers but in comparison to other chain wearers, yes i would like to have an edge. Fixes to our stances and some other tweaks may do the trick already, that i can agree with.

is this the answer to the original question of this thread? or a summary of the current state of a drunken monk?

just as reminder, the original question was: instead of being a "tanking" monk in the future what role would you like him to play?

my answer was: i like the tanking aspect and want it to keep and rather enhanced instead of being replaced by something else.

the comparison with the pally is a bit off IMO. hate and agro abilities are common and basic tools for defensive fighters. what is discussed here is not the core of the monk class, but the special flavour we want drunken monks to have. so if we want to compare tanks and monks we would have to look at the flavour of the class and not the core. for the pally the flavour would lie mostly in his healing abilities which again would exectly reflect what i wish for my drunken monk with some extra survivability tools.

but i wouldnt mind different agro managing abilities either. i just dont see how one would exclude the other. why not get both, a hate increasing or shifting skill that i can also use to rise my own agro AND some additional skills that allows me to increase my survivability for a short to medium duration.

while monks cannot (and IMO should not be able to) function as main-tanks in the high end game we are already utilizing our monks for off-tanks on trash mobs if we are short on defensive fighters. i'd like to see this option for drunken monks strengthened by giving them one or two tricks to increase short term survivability. would also be nice to get agro management tools increased.

i picked my drunken monk for his ability to get and hold agro and being able to off/ tank if needed. that i can switch role is what i like about the style. i dont want to lose this to some dps flavour or to some buffing ability. least of all i want to give it up for agro feeding the tank. while this may grant me a spot in the raid, it wouldnt have much value in the everyday group content and be completely worthless when soloing. when the other styles bring dps and debuffing, which are equally useful no matter if solo, group or raid, drunken style should be equally viable and not only for raids. higher survivability could be just that.