Vanguard Monks

Howdy gang,

Please use this thread to document bugs from the most recent patch GU3.2 / 3.3.  The monk pretty much is reborn in here so have at it, and let me know if something just isnt right.

~QTM

Still have wave hands in the clouds and northwind breaks the trunk. :-/

goading slap line was only upgraded for the first skill, the other 3 are identical
gs1 = 400 hate
gs2 = 400 hate
3 = 800
4= 1600

more to come im sure, good overall so far

I havnt posted here in awhile, but I am still noticing when you are in offensive stance (Dragon), I have 0.25% mitigation.  Out of stance I have 15% mitigation.  Even if it reduced it by a hard 10% that doesn't come out right.  Very confused. 

In defensive stance I find I can plow t hough things I couldn't before, especially with the new ignore pain.  In offensive stance I am getting destroyed because I have pretty much 0 mitigation.  They should either fix it, or if it is as intended, think of another downside to dragon stance.  As the attack monk I would expect to be in offensive stance, not forced to defense if I want to solo for armor quest.

Not too sure if this is a bug... but since the last GU skill ups seems to be crazy frequent. I know this because I just got a bladed staff (never had one) and for 2 days before the patch I practiced with it and it was long and hard work to get to 100. After the GU I got my hand to hand and 2h pierce up to max (280) in less then 30 minutes.

Tradeskilling seemed faster too, but I can't base it on much.

Weapon skill ups should be 2-3x as fast, it was in the notes.  Not sure about everything else.

Im back to 0 mitigation at 50 also but its more to do with my wearing my hp set

The whole 0 mitigation thing was oringally intended to give a "glass cannon" effect. I would like to see the oriignal mitigation penalty come back (meaning a percent of your current mitigation. not as a whole number) . I havent seen any movement on that though. I however, will keep asking about it.

I'll keep it as part of "Operation: Dragon Stuffz" Ive been working on.

~QTM

Fujitsu, I am pretty sure we will have to get a GM to force you to relearn your abilties.

~QTM

Not sure if it is a bug or not but with teh change to reaction timers, using one type of reaction doesn't "turn off" other reaction timers. So for example, if I get a crit and the finishers open up, but dodge AND parry before choosing any reaction, I can still hit the 1st finisher in teh chain, then parry reaction, then dodge reaction.  Choosing one finisher does still turn off the other finishers though.

This adds a LOT of extra power to my monk. That coupled with teh extra Jin it feels like I have due to teh *wonderful* toggled secrets.

Just noting it as it didn't seem an intentional change.

Nofoot
41 Harmonious Monk
Sartok

I think qtm mentioned that a while back on the test, if so im glad it made it in.  I spent most of last night loading up my wifes house with presents i took from the trees in khal

Well this weekend i was going to switch to harmonious/drunken and update the skills list again.  If i still have the skills after that ill let you know again. 

Well, my personal view: a cannon is a ranged weapon. We would be more of a glass battering ram, which sort of defeats the purpose :)
I'd be okay with the original penalty, as that was noticeable enough.

Well i agree i also feel a glass cannon would be the most damaging weapon in the game at the cost of dieing really easily.

What we currently have is a so-so damaging class that dies easier then any class in the game. 

Thus currently we are a glass-dull scissor

1) useing aums to learn new skills still removes finishers from the combat bar
2) celestial kick of the master still says its only 600 dmg (its melee+600 and has been for a while)
3) using aums to learn new skills doesnt always work (i got 3-4 fails before i learned the skills, it might be that i went from dragon to harmonious and those where the 3 skills i had alread in my book)
*Updated
4) Diamond Skin doesnt go away after you change out of harmonious monk (gonna try dieing)
5) Whatever stance you were in when you switched form, you keep the buff for it up (i know have 3 stances on at once, i can click em off and they go away when dieing but i AM benifiting)
6) After changing styles i still have wave hands 1, 2, and north wind

Thank god it's not just me.  Was playing my monk yesterday and all of my finishers/openers greyed out, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why.

I would hear the sound of them opening, but nothing was lighting up at all.  Macros, keystrokes etc weren't working.  One thing to mention though is that I didn't use any Aum to attempt to learn new skills.  I did use it to refresh the buff itself however.

Which leads me to the 2nd bug.. Aum Liat(Run speed buff) is not retaining it's buff if you log.  When you log back in, I am finding that the icon is there, but I have no run speed modifier.  Have not checked the parry buff though.

Rixen Bladebane

It may just be me but i think there are issues with debuffs appearing on mobs similar to the problem we had awhile back

Aum Liat bugs as reported, login it shows but no affects, doesn't show but does definately have the 25% end cost, also if you take a flying mount and land, it still shows icon but speed affects lost.
Many other bugs already reported... and some issues with FD that i'm still having trouble deciding whats really going on.  There any chance that it's not telling you that you've failed at times?  Also i've had it succeed at times, mobs run away... and suddenly rush back and reaggro though i'd not moved or unfeigned.  I stun pulled a mob down near Wardship in one of the dungeons, as it got to group tank began beating on it (got teh established aggro message), i hit FD to keep the 2nd stunned mob from coming, and on success our pulled mob lost aggro, ran back to former pathing, aggroing a  huge train on us... it was like my successful FD took away all aggro from party, not just my own.  Train was caused by attacks in progress as the mob suddenly ran bardspeed back to original location.

I had the impression that Secret of Ice and Fire would stack with anything but they keep disappearing
whenever I use transcendance (spelling?). Mabye Ive understod it wrong though :)

only one secret allowed at a time, Secret of Transcendance/Secret of Ice/ Secret of Flame.... Secret of celerity was changed to a non-secret ability forget  name

Fists of Celerity would be that name. But wasn't Transcendence scheduled to become a non-secret buff as well? My memory's a bit hazy atm...

Sadly, I'm not surprised, but...When they made Secret of Fire/Ice toggleable, they didn't fix the animations. I'm still stuck looking like an idiot with gimpy combat moves whenever I have either of these up. Please call attention to this, Quinn. I picked up EQ2 again but I still wanted to play Vanguard - and I really have a hard time playing a game when I look stupid.  I want my skill animations back :( Starting to lose interest, heh.

Not to my knowledge. It was siply getting a reduction to reuse iirc.

Fujitsu, Thanks for pointing that out! I noticed it when I would level but wasn't sure why and had assumed it was a CoreUI3 bug.

I also seem to have debuffs appear to land (Secret of ice/Adder Hand) but show no icons in the debuff window. Not sure if the effect is actually there or not.

nofoot.

the no icon thing is a ui issue.  check to make sure u have the newest version of core ui.  Then go to Settings -> Window customize (button at the bottom) and make sure "Debuffs horizantal (mine)" is checked.

I have submitted all the above mentioned bugs to SoE, Talisker is trying to get this stuff knocked out ASAP.

~QTM

also now that cross server/game tells are enabled, please feel free to send me tells if im on, i either am on Fujitsu (xeth) Fujitsuu (test) or Nissassa (xeth)

Ive been refering a lot of younger monks to the site as now i feel its  very good site for information on skills, forms , stances, gear etc.  I think the one thing we lack as a community is a stronger quest/guide section.  It would be neat to see a more inclusive "places for monks to quest at X level" as well as "gear to get at certain levels and the quests/mobs to kill for it"

not sure if this is intended or not, but fists of celerity and errant strikes does not appear to work with three finger strike and hammer fist

A minor issue but annoying none the less.  Flying kick, if placed on a hot bar, does not "light" up correctly.  I have a macro for my chains which obviously does not light up when the skills are available so I drag the non macro'd ability to the hot bar to act as a visual cue.  Ever since the last game update my flying kick hot key appears to always be active the global cooldown fade effect works but the key never grays out as though it's not available.

All other chain abilities light and dim accordingly, it's just flying kick that seems to be bugged.

I'm having issues with storm stride. Very often rather than me warping to the mob it just makes the mob run to me. It maybe that i'm doing something wrong but i can't think what it is.

I've had that happen, but seems only to be when;
 A) No space behind mob
 B) No line of sight with area behind mob
I just adapted that thinking to my pulling methods and it seems to work predictably each time to draw the beastie to me.

Still the gay "Feign Death III has been toggled off." Which really sucks, when you just stand up for no reason and there are 2 Mobs right next to you, those APW Mobs normally don't give you that much time to get away.... :knuppel2:

Also the new Rank of Secret of Ice has Animations, when using styles, all pre-3.3 Secret Ranks still don't have any animations, just punching all the time, even street fighter had better animations in DOS.... :idiot2:

So after playing drunken for a solid 2 weeks (trying to make sure i get a good bug list)

1) clumsy whirl---its currently an ae, was it before hand? its the defensive drunken skill after a dodge.  Its description doesnt say its ae, and its rather bothersome to me when descriptions dont match what its actually doing.

2) Slap hands, it says im "blocking" the attack and countering for X dmg.  However the block and dmg message are a different color then the "you hit xy for z dmg" and after a few parses im really not noticing mob hp go down from the counter attacks where as i actually think im taking the dmg.  I was trying it on weaker mobs that wouldnt kill me, 4 dot lvl 32s and i wouldnt see their hp go down and mine would go down twice as fast..... long story short i think its buged and im currently taking dmg instead of the target......also can we get the end cost lowered to 3-5 (i think its 9 atm)

3)Foolhardy swagger is for sure not adding hate correctly, i wouldnt be suprised if it was TRANSFERing 12% of my agro to the target.  Which would make sense why more then 2-3 feeds turns into almost no noticable difference (youve lost most of your hate)

4)Stormstride is buged, its not teleporting when mobs have their backs to walls, infact half the time it does a regular attack from my current position.  this is good and bad, its NOT getting me stuck in walls, but at the same time i wish it wouldnt fire off the attack if its not going to teleport me.

Clumsy whirl has always been a ae counter attack
Foolhardy Swagger definatly does not  add hate to my defensive target(have tested many different situations and never has it  done what it should do) as a 14 percent hate builder.
After a relog aum liat buff icon stays up but the  effects are gone for the runspeed.
a few  times after a FD mobs still come at me and attack even though the success on fd worked,this has happened in several ways.1 If i nerve strike sometimes very rarely the fd clears the agro but mob comes to kill me anyway.
2 sometimes when splitting a  roamer set and fd works  1 mob seems to continue to agro  and will kill me if i dont re FD(could be due to APW lag issues though)

Chains are totally SNARFED up for me. The finishers' icons stay lit up the entire time, making it very hard to see whether they're actually available or not. Also, chains are canceled without me getting stunned or missing. And finally, I seem to miss more on finishers with a Bladed Staff than I do with a H2H setup, both with maxed skill. All of these are hugely annoying.

My Diamond skin doesn't seem to be removing curse counters - specifically Archon in APW (30 sec almost went the whole duration beofre I called for it to be removed) and Second Warden of Nusibe I noticed it on. 5 min Curse lasted the whole duration.

Having an issue with finishers similiar to Khana's i think.  One thing i noticed is.. if a mob dies and i'm currently with a unusued crit... switching targets and having another crit chain start does restart the timer for the new mob, however.. many times i'm seeing it say 'this ability is unavailable' or something to that affect.  Same holding true with counters.  And like Khana explained, hotkeys are a nightmare staying highlighted after use etc, still vanishing after learning new abilities or attempting to.  I've always had to redrag hotkeys to my bar for counters each time i log in (i hate using the mouse during play), but even that won't solve the situation with chain attacks remaining lit. 

Is Kick supposed to cap out lower than dodge/parry? or is this another bug too?
Also wondering about Safe Fall, under general, i have Safe Fall maxed out for my lvl, and still have hundreds of points leftover.. was there another skill that we're supposed to have that maybe got left out somewhere alone the line?  Maybe an original version of Feign Death??  Trying to remember back to beta, but can't recall any other skills that may have gotten dropped, any info welcome :), thanks Rho-Shan

your dodge/ parry is higher than kick because you probably have +parry / +dodge items.

Not sure if this is a new bug or not, as I just started doing Diplomacy today.  When I play a card in a parlay, my harmonious body stance is toggeled off.  Doesn't happen for legendary tiger stance (or immortal crane, I think). 

Not really high priority, but threw me for a loop when I didn't have my customary 20 jin at all times so I wouldn't have ot wait to meditate very long to recast aum liat while running around.

In APW, at the boss fight of Zaraax, I get an attack bug.
It happens as good as every time when iam fighing his angry repare skelleton adds. I cant get to trikker any Chain finisher attacks.
At Zaraax himself or the "lesser" repare skelleton adds , there are no problems.

i had the same bug yesterday but it wasnt tied to that one encounter.   Not sure what caused it but all my finishers lit up as if they were all available all the time, but clicking them did nothing.

I had to feign 10+ times to reset it because /flush all did nothing

Another issue, this time with Aspect of the Spirit Dragon. I don't know what triggers it, because it worked fine before. What will happen now at times, is:
1- You activate Aspect of the Spirit Dragon. The icon for the buff doesn't show up on your buff list.
2- It drains Endurance until it's depleted, at which point it's supposed to stop. It doesn't, your endurance is permanently draining without the benefits of invis.
3- Since there is no icon for it on the buff list when this bug occurs and since clicking it again activates it again, the only way to cancel this is to use FD or Ignore Pain.

I've had this bug two times yesterday, both in and around APW.

I've not used this recently ... but on alt char's i've used invis and it seems the entire line of invis types are bugged.  They'll show you invis even after it drops, or you'll randomly pop visible.  So it's not just monks on this one, bard and bloodmage versions as well.  Also, an alarming amount of players/npc's dropping into the ground... especially on any sort of incline.  Targettings been a mess because of it, and line of sight issues are running amok.  I've had alot of issues melee'ing due to this, so am temporarily playing alts til it's fixed and i don't get myself killed trying to fight targets i can't see/target.

Hmm, maybe it is indeed part of the greater invis issue - but it's strange that it keeps draining endurance. Btw, changing stances will drop it as well.

Just posted same on a harmonious monk topic, can confirm.  Think it is new, as I've been doing diplo off and on for quite some time, and only noticed this recently.

Aum Liat: also experiencing the run speed loss when I log in, but additionally I lose run speed when the buff times down to 35 mins left or after.  I lose run speed most consistently between 31m and 29m left.  Highly annoying in association with the Harmonious stance bug  :)
Edit: I've also noticed lately that the buff times down normally with run speed intact if I'm windowed out for 40 mins or so, forum-ranting.  ;D

The new targetting by line of sight is nice... and i loved the improved performance..
Can i get a but here?

But... i'm losing sight of my defensive target often, yet it remains onscreen ... it's only after i try making use of it do i notice that it's not updating and im currently not carrying a target.

 examples : trying to /assist a target thats no longer my target, trying to heal said target with racial heal, rescues  etc..

But the majority of the times, it's still showing the poor dead bastard as my defensive target... /group sorry mate, oops

-I have gotten a bug with my chains, sometimes during long boss fights where I have to FD 5+ times my chains get bugged and don't pop when they should.  I even tested it with my auto crit chain forcer ability (and it didn't miss), the only way I can fix it is to FD and meditate real quick.

-There is also a bug dealing with damage shields (in my case in particular with crafted gear) where it will proc on the mob, seconds after it attacks you knocking you out of a successful FD.

- Soaring Leap sometimes gets bugged and it is like you have parachute on even when you don't, so you just float to the ground mid leap.  Chunking fixes this usually, and I rarely see it in APW so not sure what causes it.

- for some reason tdragon stance sometimes sticks when I change to storm dragon so I get both effects.

I have petitioned all these, and talked with GM's about them and so far they have just said they are not intended and would submit it for me, but I thought I might as well add them here. 

I have also got the bug where finisher chains just don't open.
Seems to happen pretty randomly, but yeh noticed it during longish boss fights in particular.
Pretty huge hit to our dps when that happens...

its fixed in gu4, and yeah it blows ive had it a lot, i thought at first it was a bug with rune songs blocking it but its not.