Vanguard Monks

Just a thought...mathematically, it would work, I think.

If my tank is my Defensive target, and I am pulling or feign-splitting...then provided that I haven't attacked, and/or done more than a single shuriken or just proximity-agro, would a GS not cause my mob to go straight for the Tank?

I was my Guild's main puller in EQ1 for many years, so I've got a few pulls under my belt. One major issue in particularly tricky cases would always be if the mob needed to be tagged by the tank at the right time. This way, wouldn't I sorta..."Tag it for him"?

In theory, it's a nice idea. In practice however:
- It dosen't add agro to your defensive target. The mob will be on you because you dealt damage. Possibly the agro is added to you regardles of your defensive target, but I don't think so (unconfirmed, but see next point).
- This could be because of tank not being on agrolist - but since goading slap gives so relatively little agro (remember 1 agro = 1 damage supposedly) the amout is so fastly overdone and with a ridicilious 30 second timer, you couldn't really contribute anyhow.

I tried this technique out with storm stride back when it didn't port you to pull mobs on top of the tank. It didn't even put him in combat.

And to be fair, the concept behind it is rather inviting for harassment.
Find someone, target. Find a mob, goading slap, FD. Said person gets annoyed mob without doing anything. ~

Even with it actually requireing the defensive target to be on the agrolist already, that lowers a lot of the utility of the ability (because face it, with 30 seconds reuse and rather low amout of hate, it's not exactly a contributing factor to anything).

Ok...what a shame. So it won't work if the tank isn't on the agro-list already?

Ah well...back to pulling the good old Norrath-style.  :'(

Not sure it will work even if the tank is on the agrolist - the agro bestowed is to small compared to the taunts/damage etc that flies around to make an spot observation; and I haven't actually bothered to test it out more deeply as it's mostly useless due to potency/reuse even if it would work - the highest rank would pretty much add a bit more than 50 hate per second, or be outdone by a single ashen hand crit if you look it that way.

There's been times I was on agro from early crits, popped it and watched the mob turn back to the tank.  Also gotten agro late, done same thing & watched it turn to the tank.

Now, usually, when we snag agro with it, its a near thing, so its great in those times.

Pulling, well, twould be nice if it would truly give to the tank.  Hell, I'm of the opinion that it may work if you go up, pop em, and then turn & run or turn of auto attack rq.  Any tested this to be sure?

And yeah, I do agree, this can be exploitable for griefers.

Sadly enough (or gladly!) you are probably going to have to attribute most of those agroswitches to your tank using withdraw, rescues or whatnot (perhaps in coincindence with you using goading). Since the general concensus appears to be 1 damage = 1 agro, 1600 agro (the top level) wouldn't outdo even a critical ashen hand, let alone a critical thousand fist chain...

I actually think that it is blacked out until the tank is on the aggro list. I know I wanted to try this yesterday in group but I had to wait until the tank hit it for it to pop.

A bit similar to the def deaggro where the target has to actually have the aggro to be able to click the icon.

Seems to work fine for me, so long as the tank is in combat with the mob, i rarely get aggro from the tank i usually group with, he is rather good, and on the off times i do, goading slap send aggro right back, however i do make sure to FD after wards as to reset my aggro so that i dont crit afterwards, to me thats the most logical action being as 1 crit overtakes the goading slap effect anyway

I know this is an old thread but just thought I'd post anyway.
As a 39 Pally I have attacks that add 250 hate, its technically not much, but these attacks (8 sec recast) are all I have for actual aggro, and using them both once on an extra mob usually keeps it locked on me for a decent amount of time.

While Goading slap may appear to be fairly useless due to the actual hate it gives, against one mob it is worthless, however, it can be useful with multiple mobs-everyone is focused on one mob which means the slap would do nothing to help the tank, but this means the other mobs have no hate being added to them, which means only the healers heal is building aggro, Goading Slap used on a mob that isnt being attacked actually delays the time it takes for the healer to grab aggro, and judging by the hatred my Pally skills give (not much) I would say its likely quite effective.

I suggest having a tank pull three mobs and have him focus on one with your group and then use your slap on the tank while targetting one of the adds, and see how long it takes before the healer gets aggro from the other add compared to how long it takes before the slapped one also aggros the healer.

Yeah thats what i currently do, i just run into a problem at the moment that i tend to crit on goading slap a lot and from time to time i peel when i use the attack because i out dammage the hate it gives the tank.  1600 hate is our best one, and i can easily hit for 2-3k with my typical group buffs.

Im not so convinced 1 DPS = 1 hate
My 39 Pally has piss poor DPS, yet if I focus on a mob and let a DPS class go near all out, I can pretty much keep hate all fight just by using my 2 hate attacks and auto attack, thats about 500 hate from these skills every 8 seconds (plus about 150 damage that one skill does) compare that to the 2000+ damage plus another 2000+ a ranger can do with opening shots (thats based on my own 28 Ranger, Im sure a 39 would do even more) followed by his melee, his damage certainly out does my damage and hate skills but he wont get the aggro

Oh i know for a fact 1 hate doesnt = 1 dmg. 

Just the simple fact that i can peel on an attack that gives someone else hate is astounding to me.

We had talked in the past about a "bond" like ability to constantly feed / drain hate from a target. I think it was being saved for future content or AA or soemthing along those lines.

~QTM

Yeah I have to say that putting a damage component on Goading Slap is hugely counter productive especially considering the crit % most monks work to get.  I'd be happier if they removed the damage and added the amount of hate given from attack